A couple of questions.

I've googled this question too; it seems like a perfectly reasonable statement that "the warranty doesn't cover abuse" has turned into Internet legend. There's flicking, and then there's abuse-causing flicking.

I found this video posted by Anne Reeve. It shows Chris gently opening and then flicking open a sebenza. Kinda boring, but at the end, it has two still pictures that show the difference between use and abuse. The first shows a lockbar after 8000 "harsh" openings and it has a tiny amount of wear; I'm assuming within warranty repair. The second shows a lockbar that they consider abuse. I open and close my CRKs a lot, but I can't imagine causing the type of wear in that second picture.

[video=youtube;hztV6nTMKqY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hztV6nTMKqY[/video]
 
Look at it from his point of view. He produces knives, not toys. His knives were meant to be used as cutting tools. If you use them as toys, flicking them open hundreds of times a day, you're not using the tool for its intended purpose. If he comes out with a line of toys, then you can complain about not being able to play with it all day.
 
I've had my large Classic since 2005 and has been opened thousands of times..... sharpened many times.... and it still locks up like new. It really has been a great knife over the years. The S30V steel has been trumped by others over the years but you can't beat the fact that the knife will outlive me!
 
I'm not complaining about not being able to "play" with the knife.
I also do not flick(often) or abuse my knife(or my other ones).

Knives are opened and closed thousands of times during their lives and use but this isn't considered abuse. However, if I open and close it when I don't use it, that's excessive?

I know knives are tools and are meant to be used and treated this way. However, opening and closing the knife a lot doesn't sound like abuse or mistreating the knife in some sense.

We all love knives here, and I'm sure can all understand loving the feeling of a smooth blade opening and then clicking into place.

I understand his view of not wanting to fix something that has been abused and beat until it couldn't take it anymore and someone had to send it in for a problem. That's understandable. However, I don't think opening and closing the knife really constitutes as abuse, unless of course the lock is extremely damaged(like in the video) likely caused by someone flicking it and other things.

I really just wanted to know that if lock rock were to develop(years from now) after a lot of use and lots of opening/closing(whether knife is in use or not) , would it still fall under warranty or would I get an email or call telling me I "abused" the knife by "excessive opening and closing"?
Is there a very likely possibility of this happening? I don't want the chance of my expensive knife not getting fixed just because I open and closed it several times(normally).
 
Again. No matter what anyone says. It's an opinion. The only facts are the warranty. And that it's your money. Spend it how you want. Buy whatever you want. Use it how you want. Just not as a pry bar or for spine wacking. Fan boys anywhere need to realize because they buy a product. Love it...eat and sleep it or with it. They are a fan. A consumer. Not a direct representative of that said company. Drives me nuckin futs!
 
I know these are opinions. I also know that there are a lot of life long fans here which is great. =] I just wanted an honest outlook on a question that genuinely worries me.
 
I suggest you read it straight from Mr. Reeve himself: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/730951-Some-words-from-Chris

Now about your question:
I really just wanted to know that if lock rock were to develop(years from now) after a lot of use and lots of opening/closing(whether knife is in use or not) , would it still fall under warranty or would I get an email or call telling me I "abused" the knife by "excessive opening and closing"?
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Any reasonable person would look at the birth card of the knife and realize that many years of use could result in lock rock. If on the other hand, the lock rock developed in months, that would be cause for concern. In your case, I would not worry about it. I'm of the opinion that a knife should be able to withstand tens of thousands of openings and closings without significant wear. I believe that Mr. Reeve's policy is in place to prevent the abusers from taking advantage of his warranty. Take for example the lock face shown in the video. My guess is someone did some spine whacking or other insane nonsense that mushroomed out the titanium. That lock face was abused. You don't get that kind of damage from normal opening.
 
^^ Thanks for the answer. That's pretty spot on of what I was looking for. =]
My knife is solid as a rock and has no signs on wear on the lock bar.
I had just read all this stuff and started thinking "well what if I had to send it in 5 or so years down the road..."
I definitely don't abuse my knives and never really have. I also don't plan to. I do however use them.

Thanks for the answer.
 
BladeChick777 said:
^^ Thanks for the answer. That's pretty spot on of what I was looking for. =]
My knife is solid as a rock and has no signs on wear on the lock bar.
I had just read all this stuff and started thinking "well what if I had to send it in 5 or so years down the road..."
I definitely don't abuse my knives and never really have. I also don't plan to. I do however use them.

Thanks for the answer.
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I have a feeling he is more worried about people doing spine whacks or other crazy "testing." It sounds like your lock will last a long time. If you haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary yet, it's probably within spec, so it should last. If you noticed problems early on, it would be best to send it in ASAP. I have a feeling they are smart enough to tell the difference between abuse and faulty design. I'm no expert, so you can ignore this part, but the lock face in that video looked like it was mushroomed out, not worn out. I would think that excessive opening would only wear the lock down - not cause it to mushroom out. My guess is that a large amount of force was applied to the lock face, probably from spine whacking.
 
^^ I haven't had any problems at all.
The question was more of a "Is this likely to happen quite later on and if it did, will it be okay?" kind of things.
 
Here is my take: I like to fondle my CRK's, but I don't open and close them a ton if they are not in use. Eventually, something is going to wear out--all parts are metal-on-metal and it stands to reason that at some point it will wear to the point of needing service. If you are clearing the lockbar entirely with each close them you are avoiding excessive wear, but it is still "wearing out" as slow as that may be. Govern yourself accordingly.
 
i have a worry as well but not about the lockbar. Its rather my insingo blade. I was looking at pictures of older insingos with almost rounded tips. Is this due to bad sharpening or will it happen regardless? Just a little worried about sharpening the tip due to ruining the shape now -_-
 
Bad sharpening probably! I had an insingo and the point stayed pointy after being my user for a couple of months and being reprofiled.
 
anyone else have any idea with keeping the tip in spec and not rounded? using a sharp maker btw
 
Whether watching t.v., driving in the car, reading a book, etc...click click click, the sound of a Sebenza being opened and closed can be heard anywhere in my vicinity at any given moment.

I'm sure this can result in premature wear and is it unnecessary? Well, yea, comparable to opening and shutting a door repeatedly over and over again. Perhaps a tad compulsive, but I'm glad I'm not alone!
 
I have absolutely zero doubt that you will be taken care of. The thing that troubles me about these discussions is that it has become fairly common knowledge that CRK has a poor warranty policy and that CRK knives wear down quickly, and both of those things could not be further from the truth. This all started because of some knives that Chris received in the shop that someone had clearly TRIED to break. Look at the video above, it really says it all. Chris had someone wrist flick a Sebenza open very hard 8000 times and it didn't come anywhere near the damage to the lock that he had received on those few knives. So the notion that your warranty is void or that the lock will fail simply from a flick or a bunch of openings is completely ludicrous.
 
When you move the knife with the curve of the belly to sharpen it, you blunt the tip. It has to be straight with just a tilt at the belly but no moving the knife to sharpen the belly towards the tip.

Hope that helps. I blunted a couple of tips that way and now just doing straight strokes I have no issues and my tips are all nice and pointy.

I don't think my knife will wear down quickly, I was just asking for the years ahead.
 
i understand that but its an insingo which is of course different then the regular blade shape. So if i sharpen with straight strokes it should be fine?
 
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