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Even if it's not your spam for sale you're still advertising spam for sale, and advertising is not allowed in the discussion forums.

That knife might provoke some interesting discussion, but couldn't that wait a few hours until the auction is over?
-Cougar :{)
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Thawk,This is absolute auction spotting on a CURRENT auction mate of which I am the highest bidder.You could and should raise these questions AFTER the auction is completed if you have doubts.The fact that you have not heard of one before only indicates you have more Schrade homework to do not that this knife is not what purported to be. Not on, raising these questions with only 20 hours to go IMHO. Larry303.
 
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For your further information the number of lookers at that knife increased from 161 to 182 in the hour or so your post remained on this forum. Very disappointed mate. Larry 303.
 
Just 2 points.
1) I agree that talking about live auctions must be avoided.
2) E-Bay has made it almost impossible to tell who is bidding on a knife.
they now use 1 letter a couple "*" and another letter.
Those letters do not corespond with your normal bidding name making bidding against one another a real pain in the arse..

If I bid against anyone here in the forums it will be because I cant recognize the name.
 
This sorry incident points up the problem with auction spotting. You may feel you're helping people but you are hurting the serious bidders. Every time.

It's analogous to posting derogatory comments in a sale thread, you interfere in someone else's business deal.

And an item you don't recognize may not be fake, it may be extremely rare, and calling another expert's attention to it will really ruin the deal.
 
so how about posting link after auction closes so the rest of us can see what's up ? roland
 
I apologize Larry, or to any one else I offended. Bad judgement on my part.

I guess I'm still not clear in which subforums it is acceptable, because I see it quite often with no infraction given. Not an excuse, just an observation. Won't happen again.
 
Sometimes people get away with a violation of the rules because no one points it out to a mod. It doesn't make it right, but we can't be everywhere.
 
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so how about posting link after auction closes so the rest of us can see what's up ? roland
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I'll post a link and also a picture and some info after the auction is over. I cancelled my bid. I can wait for another to show up.

eBay auctions are a sticky subject to discuss on forums, particularly before they end. While non-interference with auctions/transactions is an easy concept to understand, given the variance of acceptable rules among the forums here and elsewhere, boundaries are sometimes blurred. In THIS forum (and also the Camillus Collectors Forum) we might be best served to just wait until an interesting item has sold before posting about it. I know the other "main" identification forum works under slightly different rules and that is confusing. I've made blunders in the past on both sides of the issue. But I am learning, as we all are. Hang in there guys! There are thousands of Schrades none of us have seen!

Michael
 
G'Day again, Thawk I accept your apology mate wholeheartedly.I have no problem whatsoever with people bidding against me as I firmly believe Ebay is about Love and War and makes the whole process that much more stimulating.I have no problem with being able to see who is bidding or not bidding so agree with Ebay policies providing there is no schill bidding which is entirely a different kettle of fish. <Jackie just beat me in the U.K. on a Walden Dive Cutlass and I am truely happy for him to have one and I would not knowlingly bid against him however we no longer have this ability to identify, nor he me>
What I am against is drawing a knife's attention to the whole world whilst it is still an active auction and if this is done consistantly you will never obtain another bargain or reasonable Schrade deal.... I believe we all' pays our money and takes our chances on Ebay. and dont need no other interferences'....enough said.......now to the knife in question....
COMPLETED Ebay Auction #280237814063.
Herman Williams mentioned on previous thread on here that when he originally purchased my rare 3OT he also purchased a ultra rare S/Cut Co Calendar knife from the same person and both were photographed in Jim Sargents No2 Edition.I was aware the knife produced only in 1937 existed.I am also aware of the knife discussion on AAPK Forum by their guru in residence possibly debunking this Ebay knife as a "changling" meaning blades swapped from some other genuine Schrade Cut.Co. Walden N.Y. knife to an Italian made Latama Calendar knife body which is similar but not identical.This may well be so and I obviously acknowledge his far greater knowledge in these older Schrades.
I have been the successful bidder so I get to find out first hand whether I have one of the rarest 1937 Pattern No F170 Schrade Cut Co fakes or the real deal.At $303 its curiosity value only or a knife worth $2500 for me. <In Oz we call my situation "To Sydney or the Bush!> If anyone cares to actually compare the Latama on AAPK with this Ebay knife there are enough "differences" to make it interesting for me.
1. The handle on genuine has a cut away for blade access below calendar. The Latama does not appear to have one and the Latama's calendar appears to extend almost all the way to the edge. The Sargent example appears similar to the Ebay knife. The 'S' and 'M' in the calendar appear to me at least to look more like the genuine article than the Latama example.If the handles are the same it would not be a 'changling' IMHO.
The remaining squares on the genuine calendar have a domino pattern..does the Latama? The Ebay knife has identical domino squares.
I find this all interesting which is why I'm a Schrade Nut in the first place.
Obviously I will show photos of my Changling or whatever in due course on here.
P.S. I hope the Alligator pouch is the Real Deal <probably turn out to be common old Aussie Crocodile skin!> and I guess I can use the perpetual calendar no matter what it is unless the Italians removed a day as well!
Hoo Roo from Downunder.
 
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Larry, might be that the brief viewing here and the AAPK post deterred bidding and worked in your favour. rarely does a truly rare knife go for 15% of it's genuine appraised value. i bet you got the real McCoy. roland
 
Thanks Roland....you know every time our Codger makes a post on BF we ought to appreciate the way he responds and doesnt get off by squashing someone like a maggot who may not quite know as much about a knife as he does.I think he like us understands there is a love of Schrades and there is also a life out there as well....
The Guru in residence on the other Forum has these compassionate words to say about the knife....."It is a fake Schrade"..$303 is amazing...a $300 ripoff....the authenticity of the knife is BULLSHIT <sic>....it was fabricated to make a buck....apparently someone felt this oddity was worth $300......"
Gee thanks mate could you just expand on your comments a little more to make your point clear...There may even be a few other things in life I know more about than you as knives represent only a part of my life..so get a life....
Thanks Codger again for being here <and he there>....I have obtained perhaps 1500 USA Schrades over about 6 years many from trusted U.S. sellers, many direct buys, not always on Ebay and I guess I was always going to make what others perceive as an imprudent deal so I cop it on the chin as part of my learning process..no one else's problem only mine.
Thawk I had already placed my highest bid on this knife so putting it on this Forum for all to see as a warning PRIOR to auction end was never going to help me only hinder me.Same for any other member in this situation in the future and I believe this is what the "Private Messages" section on this Forum could best be used for as Eric did, for which I thank him.
Finally I had done my homework and realized this style of knife existed in 1937 and was not a Chinee Taylor Crapp Clone ..... however if it is not the Real Deal it will never be sold by me as The Real Deal as that resident Guru on the other Forum doesnt have exclusive rights to the honesty and integrity he sprouts ad nauseum.......Hoo Roo
 
Larry,

Congrats on the auction!

However, as a member of both forums in question here, I don't appreciate the cross-forum bashing of members. I can understand your passion in this, as this auction was inadvertently brought into the spotlight.

I have made good and bad purchases on ebay myself, and certainly wouldn't want anyone to question my decision-making abilities, but I think the critique from that person would be the same, regardless of the buyer. Some people are blunt and direct in life, like in the Levine forum. BL tells it like it is, and sometimes it is not candy-coated. That's the way he is. I find you to be blunt and direct also, so to me it is slightly hypocritical of you to comment on someone else who is the same way. His comments may have been harsh in your eyes, but they are his opinion never-the less.

Remember the old saying....Opinions are like a**holes. Everyone has one, and everyone else's stinks but mine.


I would much rather stick to discussing Schrades, or ping-pong balls, or whatever. I hope I did not offend you. This is just my opinion...

Good day.

Glenn
 
The GURU on the other forum gave good, and correct, information. His style is informative, backed by REAL information personally researched over long years of experience, and love for the knives of Schrade! I find his style biting, but humorous, and refreshing! The knife in question is a hoax. If you are going to collect older Schrades as I do, you won't find someone who knows more about them than LT!
 
Larry,

"<Jackie just beat me in the U.K. on a Walden Dive Cutlass ....."

And, you beat me on the one beforehand. Makes us even. :thumbup::)

Jackie
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Gentlemen, I appreciate the passions aroused by the hunt, but I must remind everyone here not to engage in cross-forum conversations, which too easily turn into cross-forum bashing. Let's keep the conversations on-topic and address those paticipating here. Anyone elsewhere is entitled to their own opinion, however we may disagree. They are even entitled to express it in ways we don't like, as long as they don't do it here.
 
Any objection to quoting known experts, and citing the source (person) for the good of the collecting community, Esav?
 
i don't see any of the posts as "bashing", or even competitive. to me they are complimentary, adding further "knowledge" to the topic. the reader is free to retain or discard any of the info.
perhaps the only advantage of being relatively new, i remain unaffected by past events. roland
 
Quoting absent experts leaves us open to taking information out of context. If people aren't going to participate here, their information can be misunderstood. What Larry quoted previously sounded pretty bad, but we can't tell from here if it really was directed at anyone personally.

There's no harm is saying so-and-so said that the item was a fake, but Larry already admitted it could be, but that he was still willing to bet with his own money on the possiblity that it was more interesting than that.

Beyond that, what's the problem?
 
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