A customer service story I think everyone would enjoy

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This is a fairly long story but I will try to be short. I think it’s worth the read though because you don’t see (let alone experience) things like this very often.

I’ve always been a fan of Gary Crowder’s knives since I acquired one here on the forums a year or so back, so when I saw his name on the agenda for LVCKS I was looking forward to meeting him.

When I found him at the show he had about 10 slipjoints on his table and all were very reasonably priced. The first visit to the table we BS’d for about 15 minutes as I looked over all of his offerings, I knew one would be making the flight home with me but decided to check everything else out first.

When I made it back to his table we talked again for about 30 minutes this time and I finally decided on the modified sowbelly seen below.

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When I got home I immediately started carrying the knife and after about 3 days a crack developed in the one bone scale near the rocker pin. It had not been there before but the pin was evidently a little tight and had popped the crack under use.

Most makers will not warrant bone or natural material but since the knife was so new I decided to shoot Gary an email about the crack. I also asked him in that email if he would be willing to put on some scale material I had, and to dome the pivot pin instead of grinding it flush. Within hours I had a message back saying to return the knife and he would do whatever it takes to make it right.

The next day I sent the knife and a small piece of scale material, some great orange G-10 I had around from a previous project. Gary received the package last Monday (14th).

On Thursday I got an email from him stating that the knife was completed but he was having a bad week, I thought “awe crap, what went wrong”…. As I read on he said that he had replaced the scale material with some black bone he had and when he polished it up and finished it he realized it was actually amber. Then it hit him that not only was the amber bone wrong, but the black bone was wrong too!

So the last sentence said something to the effect of “I realized my mistake so I put another one together using your scale material and will be shipping them out tomorrow. If this is not acceptable let me know and I’ll do what it takes to make things right.”

I had to read the message like 4 times… did he say he was sending me a second knife?

So sure enough I got a package the other day and in it was my rebuilt amber bone, and right next to it was an identical knife with my blaze orange G-10!

Needless to say I am amazed at the level of service this gentleman has provided for me. Not only did he turn my repair around in 4 days, he made a second knife for me to cover for a mistake he made.

The purpose of this post is two-fold. First to share the great customer service experience I’ve had with all of you, and to try and drum up a little business for a great under rated maker who knows how to take care of his customer.

Gary does not have a web presence but I can provide email address and phone number for anyone interested in his knives.


Sorry for this crappy pic but an old POS Mavica is all I have available at work, will shoot better pictures at home tonight.



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WOW!! Impressive knives and customer service.Congratulations on two fine slipjoints you got there.
 
That is utterly awesome customer service. I love to hear about people doing people right. (And then some) He deserves to be well known with practices like that.

And the knives look sweet too. :D

Oily
 
Here's a better shot of the knives.
 
with so many good folks to do biz with its a wonder the creeps can even stay in biz, imho most knifemakers are a breed apart and will do ANYTHING to keep customers happy, they will go wayyy beyond the norm to do this, great folks to deal with.
 
SIFU1A said:
with so many good folks to do biz with its a wonder the creeps can even stay in biz, imho most knifemakers are a breed apart and will do ANYTHING to keep customers happy, they will go wayyy beyond the norm to do this, great folks to deal with.

The good guys won't be able to stay in business long if they give two knives for the price of one. Repairing the handle scales was more than enough restitution for the cracked scales.
 
Chad, could you let me know how much the slip joints cost? I'm not sure I can afford them, but I would certainly want to support a maker like that....

Yeah, if all makers replaced two for one, they would be belly up soon...I would have been real happy if the maker repaired the knife and covered shipping both ways. Most of the time, makers will repair it but not cover my shipping (international) which makes warranty requests quite expensive...
 
HDCharlie said:
The good guys won't be able to stay in business long if they give two knives for the price of one. Repairing the handle scales was more than enough restitution for the cracked scales.


Agreed that is was more than enough but how he handles his dealing with people is his call. He's been making knives for 20+ years so I think he knows what he's doing.

With that said he is a retiree who does the knife making for fun and additional income so he's probably not as concerned about profit as a middle aged full time knife maker who needs to support a family. This is pretty obvious in his pricing as you'll see below.

I think I paid $250 for the original black bone one. A single blade version of the same knife is about $200 or $225 IIRC.

The Crowder pictured at the 12:00 position in this picture is a single blade and runs either $175 or $200.

Those prices include the filework.

This guy does amazing work for the money. If you don't like the exposed pivot pin he does them flush as well, in fact all of the knives at the Vegas show were flush. My original Crowder had the exposed pin and I came to like it so I asked him to do it that way for me on the rebuild.

He's very responsive to email and you can contact him at: garysue@cwis.net

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HDCharlie said:
The good guys won't be able to stay in business long if they give two knives for the price of one. Repairing the handle scales was more than enough restitution for the cracked scales.


wow were did that come from? my point was that most custom makers were a joy to deal with, the man has been making knives for a while i dont think this is gonna drive him outta business, if it was i doubt he would do it, and i dont expect freebies, but hey if they come i aint gonna gripe either,never thought folks would sharpshoot me for complimenting custom makers lol. whatever bud & a good day to ya too.
 
Uh, my understanding of a move like that ... i.e., the maker making a mistake on a repair and sending the original and a replacement back to the buyer, is not that the buyer simply keeps both knives ....the implication is that he's giving you a choice between the two due to his mistake on the original.
Unless he specifically told/tells you to keep both of them, the correct thing for you to do is choose one and return the other. If he sends it back to you again and tells you to keep it, then that's a different thing altogether.

I wonder what kind of story the maker is telling of this incident? ... i.e. "I f*cked up the repair, so I sent the guy two knives back thinking he'd pick one and return the other, and the S.O.B. kept them both! Cripes what a week I've had! Give me another beer, bartender."

(Personally I'd keep the amber one.)
 
errr...just saw how my statement could be misconstrued too...I think it's really up to the maker to send two, three or more...his perrogative. generosity goes around in the world, and pride of ownership is sometimes more valuable than the cost of the product.

Thanks for the info on pricing Chad...I'm looking for a slip joint to give to my dad....was thinking of Ray Cover's semi-skinner slippies with the giraffe bone scales, but you've given me another option to consider... ;)
 
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