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I thought I might digress from the normal "conversation" to add to the cantina. :)

I spent Sunday fishing in the "back" area in Fl. I was set up on the bank, relaxing taking in the scenery, enjoying nature. But...

Noise..... hollering , loud truck noise, yelling.......

Yes they came right to me. Normal stuff I'm used to this.

Two trucks, two white guys, one black, and they said I am in their fishing spot. I have my poles set, my stuff all around and my 20" Sirupati in a bucket after clearing the brush.

They made small talk and then it got sh*ty.

Oh, I might add I never go alone in the back woods. A 1911 acp on my belt under my shirt.
I was getting in the mood when my cell phone rang. My liberal school teacher wife, wanting to know how it was going.:D

I bust out laughing and said do you have esp? I was about to take some red knecks to street school. She told me not to do it, "remember my promise".

I ask the fellows for a few minutes to pick up, and I would move. They said make it fast old man. I said I would hurry give me a little time.;)
 
:) Nice.



The problems ensuing would not be worth the satisfaction of the moment.


but, just for a moment there.....
 
My trouble with moving or not, the rest of the day fishing might be ruined. Letting it go would be tough.


I see them hunting, fishing, driving off road. I see bullet holes in stop signs, empty beer cans and trash.

You wonder; why are people like that even fishing in the first place? None of the qualities fishing teaches has rubbed off on them.

This story is why I do not go unarmed in the woods either.

I read it and hate people all over again.

Just from the way you handled it, being willing to be called "old man' and in their eyes leaving under pressure, makes me feel like you'd be a good man to call friend, Sams.

munk
 
Sounds like you're mellowing out a little. :D Cutting short a fishing trip is probably a little better than spending time in the "pokey".
 
I must say, you did it right sams. Those are the times that test us. It always leaves me feeling slightly sick after incidents like that. I feel that these bafoons often need to be shown their place in the universe. The trouble is that doing the showing is not worth the adverse side effects later on.
 
Thank you all for the reply's. it is very important to me to be accepted in this forum.

I can get realy stupid at times.:)

I fight yin and yang every day. It is still hard for me.
 
I've had it up to here with the kinder, wiser, gentler phonies who play holier than thou and counsel sainthood when they weren't there.

If you value respect and caring for others, seeing others mistreated goes against the grain. Yours and mine and Munks reactions are all normal. And the deeper ingrained your respect for others the more galling it is.

That we eventually hold ourselves to higher standards doesn't mean we deny feeling outrage.

I usually ( if I try hard enough ) end up praying,

"Lord, let them see the light before what goes around comes around for them. On the other hand it they don't learn, I want front row seats on the 50 yard line to see the event, pretty please."

PS: My truck has three stickers in the rear window behind the driver. 1) NRA Endowment Membership, 2) a bumper sticke that says "COURTESY IS CONTAGIOUS", and the third a 4"x6" American flag decal. I've always wanted to hang a sword or medieval axe in a rear window holder to add emphasis to sentiment on the bumper sticker.

Lord, why must I choose between a new monitor and the Hungarian axe?
 
Man, I would have called the police.
Did those guys own that land ?
I bet they all had arrest records and would have run from red lights flashing.
Sorry your trip was ruined.
Next time, poop all over yourself and they will stay away from you..
 
Originally posted by Rusty
I've had it up to here with the kinder, wiser, gentler phonies who play holier than thou and counsel sainthood when they weren't there.
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Please excuse my ignorance. I have lived a somewhat sheltered life. :(
 
Rusty,
I don't think we were being holier than thou. I feel that Sh@theads like that need their heads ripped off and someone to sh@t down their necks. But as I alluded to, "it" is not worth the aftermath with the law and all. The easy route of leaving, "however distasteful", is the more sane and long lasting peaceful solution. However much I might like to put 230Gr's of common sense into total dubs that threaten my peace and quiet with their assenine crap. Unless they threaten my life I try to be peaceful. I do not want to room with some guy named Bubba that takes a liking to my butt in jail.:eek: I am sorry if I sounded holier than thou.
I practice peace, I am however in life prepared for war. Taking the high road made it possible for us to hear this tale from sams. Had he capped these pieces of garbage, he would still be filling out forms and maybe posting bail. That is what I was getting at.
 
As Keith Laumer wrote in one of the Retief books: "There's no one more peaceful than a dead troublemaker.".

Sams, you'd have been accepted either way. I REALLY wanted the story to end with you showing the 1911 and them becoming very respectful and falling all over themselves to leave. Your way was better though. I think. I doubt that they learned any lessons that day.
 
I try to remember the immortal words of Marcus Aurelius:

"Begin each day by telling yourself: Today I shall be meeting with interference, ingratitude, insolence, disloyalty, ill-will and selfishness-all of them due to the offenders' ignorance of what is good or evil. But for my part I have long perceived the nature of good and evil and its meanness, and also the nature of the culprit himself, who is my brother, (not in the physical sense, but as a fellow creature similarly with reason and a share of the divine); therefore none of those things can injure me, for nobody can implicate me in what is degrading."

Having been brought up on a diet of John Wayne films, (and I still love watching the Duke ), I can well appreciate the sentiments he expressed in 'The Shootist':

"I wont be wronged, I wont be insulted and I wont be laid a hand on. I dont do these things to others, and I expect the same from them".

Of course the film illustrates the point that even in the early 1900's, a man could not live in society and follow that credo, (now lawmen...have a read about Jelly Brice http://www.gutterfighting.org/jellybryce.html ). Whether you think thats a good or bad thing, it doesnt change reality. Right or wrong, the law and society have set down certain standards that we have to live with now.

Sams, for what its worth I think you did the best thing you could, (you'll notice I didnt bring right or wrong into this), given the circumstances. I'd rather have you safe at home back with your family and us all being able to talk about this now in the cantina. It certainly beats you being dead, hospitalised or locked up in a cell.
 
I forgot to say. Marcus Aurelius was a Roman Emperor, for those of you who dont recognise the name, (Richard Harris played him in 'Gladiator'-and no one is quite sure how he died). He saw a lot more '****' than any of us are ever likely to.

Rather than being 'holier than thou', I just think he made the decision not to get a coronary over the behaviour of *******s. His 'Meditations', and Stoic philiosophy, were important influences in the shaping of Christian thought.
 
One way to view "jerks" and how to deal with same:

They have a life sentence with slight to no possibility of "parole" -- sentenced by genes, circumstances, whatever, to being jerks for life. When they die -- typically sooner than the insurance tables say they should -- they will be remembered (except by Mom) for what they were in life.

If a "jerk problem" can be solved by moving on, pulling over, whatever, no big deal. Do it.

If your safety, or that of others, is threatened, you go to the next level.

Sams, you did the smart thing. Some day, they will do their little tapdance with someone equally or more idiotic, and you'll read about it, often inclusive of funeral arrangements. Today, your name is not in the paper and your liberty is not threatened.

Our legal system, like it or not, simply does not favor "self-help." It requires retreat outside your home when retreat is possible.
 
To Bruiselee and others:

"I've had it up to here with the kinder, wiser, gentler phonies who play holier than thou and counsel sainthood when they weren't there."

I never stopped to think anyone here would consider the above was aimed at them.

I will not name some of the other places that reek of hypocrisy. Most any place there are enough humans could qualify.
 
To Bruiselee and others:

"I've had it up to here with the kinder, wiser, gentler phonies who play holier than thou and counsel sainthood when they weren't there."

I never stopped to think anyone here would consider the above was aimed at them. Rusty

Me neither. I didn't think for a second you meant anyone here. Kind of interesting...the misunderstanding.
What it means to me is that there are situations we do the best we can and leave feeling less than happy or content. If Sams had stayed and pulled a gun, and the Trash had come back with theirs, then Sams would have had to kill someone over a fishing spot. In another sense, it would not have been over a fishing spot- it would have been over Trash pushing people around and recieving a just response. Whether Trash gets shot breaking into one's home or stealing a piece of pizza, I'm not sure it matters, but it matter to me. If I have to shoot I'd like it to be more than a fishing spot.

But there is no right answer. It would be right for Sams to say, "Don't be silly, get out of here. You can have the spot when I'm through." And if that wasn't good enough- the Trash could esculate into the loss of their lives.

When I'm armed, I'm actually more peaceful.
I try to have a bottom line- if no one's life is in danger-

But you have to wonder if our being as decent as we are, actually aides and abets Trash misbehaving.


Sams, whatever you decided to do you could plan on being accepted by me. I am very happy to be accepted myself, and hope others forgive me my excesses.


munk
 
There is no better place to hang out online than the cantina. That comes down to the people who are here. No more need be said than that.
 
Originally posted by sams


I fight yin and yang every day. It is still hard for me.
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Sams, that's what I meant. You are honest about it, and I respect your honesty. Far as the stupid part goes, let's leave sleeping dogs lie... too painful to remember. Too recent, too.
 
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