a day fishing

Thank you all for the reply's. it is very important to me to be accepted in this forum.
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Before you have to answer to anyone for your actions, you have to answer to yourself. If you're true to yourself you will be accepted here, because you're among like minded individuals. :) FWIW I think you handled it well. You showed remarkable restraint, more than I believe I'm capable of. That's commendable.
 
Sams, after learning what happened I'm sure your wife is glad to be married to the man she calls husband, a man who is in control of himself and, therefore, the situation and that regardless of provocation he will choose to come home to her safe and sound rather than choose to escalate a bad situation. I know the emotional cost of that encounter can eat at you for quite some while, however, it showed you have the maturity and self control to make a wise decision. Wisdom is what allowed you to return home to your wife safe, sound, and without the burden of legal consequences for violence where it was not absolutely necessary to preserve life and limb. Unfortunately, wisdom is often accompanied with a heavy dose of humiliation, a price that is all to often the cost for living in a civilized society where the rule of law is the standard under which we must conduct ourselves in order to insure our personal freedoms. I know I'm not telling you anything you do not already well know. This post is to let you know that I admire and commend your actions in this matter where things could very easily have gone to hell in a handbasket for you and your family had you not made the decision you did. I am proud to be in the company of men and women like yourself who gather on this forum.
 
Most importantly to us all is that one of our own made it home safely!
Rusty, sorry that I totally misunderstood your meaning yesterday. I should actually known better, since you do not mess with your brothers and sisters here, and tend to set the good example for us.
 
Seems to be no avoiding people like them anywhere today :mad:

It rasps the soul to turn away and avoid a confrontation sometimes. When I find myself in a similar situation, I hope I will have the wisdom to do the same thing.

Andrew Lim
 
You did the right thing, Sams.

I wish I had your restraint. I have never been able to tolerate disrespect and "turn the other cheek." I know I will pay for it when I stand before the Lord on judgement day.
 
Originally posted by Bill Martino
"The man who never fights always wins."
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Thanks, Bill


"Don't brandish a gun unless you're willing to die for the cause", I say...
 
To brandish a weapon is against the law. Dic: "to wave, shake, or exhibit in a menancing, challenging, or exhultant way."

To have a weapon in one's hands after recieving threats (assault) by two men is within the law, if one has reason to believe grave harm or death may occur without.

The thought behind Pen's post is correct- if you are not willing to take life for the cause, don't do it. Just as you are a technician and metal smith who knows his subjects, and instructs most of us, I have to make this distinction about the word 'brandish', Pen, for I feel the same way about firearms as you do about the metalurgy of khuks.


munk
 
thanks for the clarification, munk.

glad you got the gist...
 
..it's my nit pick allowance for the month.
but Brandish is a bad word.




munk
 
Substitute presentation for "brandish" just to be strictly politically correct.

Brandishment can be an end to itself. It can well be construed to be using a weapon in a threatening manner.

Presentation, on the other hand is part of a process leading to alignment of the sights, disengagement of the safety to be immediately followed by the shot(s) unless forestalled by the shootee's extremely rapid capitulation.
 
Assault versus Battery



Assault and Battery - Victim




What is an Assault and Battery?

A battery is any physical contact with another person, to which that other person has not consented.
An assault is basically an attempt at a battery.

Proving You Were Assaulted

Many times cases of assault turn on whether the threatened harm was "imminent," meaning how soon was the threatened thing supposed to happen. This is the difference between someone about to hit you now versus someone who says they will hit you tomorrow.
The fear of an assault must also be "reasonable." This means that if you were threatened with a water gun and you knew it was a water gun it is probably not "reasonable" for you to fear it.

Proving You Were Battered

The battery must have been "intentional." This means that the person meant to throw something or meant to swing their arm.
The harm does not have to be intended for the victim. Merely doing an intentional act is enough to commit a battery.
 
call it what you want...you whip out a gun...you better be prepared to die...

Personally, I keep my (weapons) well hidden and out of sight. I would only consider using something if I had No Alternative and the #1 alternative in my book is just turning around and walking away.


#2 would be running away...
 
I am 100% behind Sams in his response!


I am also 100 % behind our boys on that airplane when they were faced with 5 terrorists with box cutters who were determined to fly that airliner into Washington,D.C.on 911.

For me,I guess it depends on the situation. Please don't take my "opinion" as a flame on anyone else's post or a putdown of anyone else's choice--It's not.
 
I'm sitting, relaxing, and enjoying everyones input. There are a few things to add to the story but I think the outcome would remain the same.

I don't know why but in Florida there is a majority of only two classes of people. In the North, there is 3; rich, middle income and poor. I was surprised to see the number of poor. Dirt poor. I realized after time, going in the woods/swamp/river by yourself is somewhat dangerous. Not from wildlife but people. You need to be "aware" at all times! People pop up from no where just to see what you are doing, and what you "have" away from roads, phones, and civilization.

The poor hunt at night year round, fish anywhere, anytime, and need the food to get by. They play cat and mouse with the game wardens.

If I WAS 26 THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD. IF I WAS 36 A FIGHT WOULD HAVE BEEN ON, at 56 who cares really.;)
 
It always leaves me feeling slightly sick after incidents like that. I feel that these bafoons often need to be shown their place in the universe. The trouble is that doing the showing is not worth the adverse side effects later on.
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Me too Rick!

Way to go Sams! Its damn hard to walk away AND let it go. I've done the former many times, but the latter often proves VERY difficult to pull off!
 
I support and respect sams in every way...

Unfortunately, Semper Fi won't be standing in that Judgement line by himself.

Fortunately, we can chat about the remarkable penetration of a Khuk in rubber tires while we wait...
 
Originally posted by sams
I'm sitting, relaxing, and enjoying everyones input. There are a few things to add to the story but I think the outcome would remain the same.

I don't know why but in Florida there is a majority of only two classes of people. In the North, there is 3; rich, middle income and poor. I was surprised to see the number of poor. Dirt poor. I realized after time, going in the woods/swamp/river by yourself is somewhat dangerous. Not from wildlife but people. You need to be "aware" at all times! People pop up from no where just to see what you are doing, and what you "have" away from roads, phones, and civilization.

The poor hunt at night year round, fish anywhere, anytime, and need the food to get by. They play cat and mouse with the game wardens.

If I WAS 26 THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD. IF I WAS 36 A FIGHT WOULD HAVE BEEN ON, at 56 who cares really.;)
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How I can identify with ALL the above!

I have encountered these dirt poor (by choice usually) folks in the hot springs of Arizona, the Appalachian trails of Georgia, the National Parks throughout the 50 states.

Many refer to them as rainbow people. In the old days they were called gypsies.

I do not go into rural/remote/or even Park and Recreation areas without being well armed.

Remember those two bank robbers(Platt and Matix) who shot up and killed several FBI Agents several years ago in South Miami.

http://www.thegunzone.com/11april86b.html


They also killed a young fellow who was simply out target practising West of Homestead Airport--- stealing his car and his pistol.


Now that there's plenty of time for perusing the situation surrounding the fishing incident, it sounds like someone somewhere was going to get hurt by these creeps.

Looking back, maybe it would be useful to get a vehicle tag number/description and a physical description of the maggots and send in or call in an abbreviated citizens report to the LEO with jurisdiction in the area--- they were prowling.
 
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