A fighter-design. Opinions are welcome!

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Following a design-cooperation by filosofem and me. What do you think?

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Reminds me of a couple of different knives, but there are only so many ways to make a rubber ball that bounces. Looks like a really good slasher/chopper. Go for it.
 
Looks like a Mamba blade and a Dozier Pro Guide handle to me. But, I like it.
 
In order to be an optimum shape this would need to be a heavy chopping knife like a kukri. By dropping the point down so far you have made it much less effective for stabbing or thrusting. Also this low point is less effective for slashing. A lot of the real work of slashing is done by the last inch or so of blade just before the tip. You want edge well exposed in that area and you want that edge sloped backwards at something like 45 degrees. Think of how a sabre is designed. It has a back curve near the point (actually it has a trailing point). Sabres are designed to be light weight swords that work by a slashing cut that draws the edge across the target for slicing action rather than chopping action.

I would to something to draw your tip back and expose more edge on the tip end of your blade.
 
The handle is the spittin' image of the Livesay #2 handle. If fact, the knife is very similar to the Livesay Airmoble IMHO.
good luck,
--Dave
 
That design reminds me of the Hibben Kempo II knife.
 
Looks great! Kinda reminds me of a Crawford Bodyguard. What OAL are you thinking about?
 
I'd change the handle into one without the finger choil. So, the knife can be held in various position (straight, pikal, reverse, icepick) without any constraint. Otherwise, excellent design ! I love the blade style !
 
I think it is pretty cool design...nice drawing too...there is a few thing I would change but nothing much...
 
If you want to see efficient fighting knives look at Jerry Hossom's website, hossom.com. You'll notice that even when he puts in sexy curves there is a lot of sharp edge in line with the centerline of the handle. Many designers make creative flights of fancy, but for something that works look at Jerry's designs or a classic bowie knife. Bowie knives come from an era of bulky single shot horse pistols. They were designed as serious sidearms. They don't have points below the centerline of the handle unless they have a major sharp back edge.
 
Originally posted by beluga
I'd change the handle into one without the finger choil. So, the knife can be held in various position (straight, pikal, reverse, icepick) without any constraint. Otherwise, excellent design ! I love the blade style !
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I agree with removing the pronounced finger choice to make the knife work in pakal -- if the blade is small enough to make sense for a pakal grip. 4.5" or less, definitely, 5.5" or less, maybe, any bigger than that and I'm not using pakal. In any case, pakal is a specialized grip that few people use, so if you're pitching to the masses, ignore this advice :)

Also, for a pakal grip, that low point doesn't work.Generally speaking, I think a very low point and a recurve are a bit awkward. If you're going with a low point, you can just leave the blade at a positive angle to the handle, get some % of the performance of a recurve while leaving the edge straight for easier sharpening. I'd recommend picking low point or recurve but not both. I'd say keep the recurve but let the point drift up.

For any grip, I like a much sharper point for a fighter.

Overall, nice looking knife!
 
Not my style but it looks like you oughta have Walter Brend make it.
Reminds me of some of his stuff.

Kudos man, hope it works for you.
 
it LOOKS cool, very similar to a Livesay Air Mobile as dwatts said, but with a sleeker top edge. But when I look at it I think "small chopper" not so much fighter. I get the impression from past posts that you are into fighters, and maybe practice fighting techniques? Perhaps try making a wood mockup of this and see how it flows with your techniques, b/c as others have said I question that really low point, which works for a hawksbill by concentrating the force of the blow at the tip, but I don't think it will work as well at that with your design.

Also, The Possum has some very informative posts on using a knife to kill raccoons, and he (like Joe T) has said that a VERY sharp point has proven to be critical. Granted raccons have tougher hides than humans, but humans can upgrade their hides with all sorts of materials like denim, leather, insulated coats, etc., so a sharp penetrating point would seem to remain a very important element of a true fighting knife.
 
Originally posted by Jeff Clark
... By dropping the point down so far you have made it much less effective for stabbing or thrusting. Also this low point is less effective for slashing.

I would to something to draw your tip back and expose more edge on the tip end of your blade.
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I'm no expert, but I totally agree with Jeff - I like drop point recurves too but it's important to keep the point in line with the centerline of the knife for thrusting/stabbing. Even khuks have a dropped handle to keep the centerline thing.

Overall very nice - only 2 minor things - is the pronounced finger groove comfortable? and the point thing.
 
Thanks for your comments!

We know the disadvantages of the blade design and expected the critique, especially regarding the limited penetrating efficiency. The blade is a compromise between function and (as we think) an attraktive look. Nevertheless we will discuss your answers.

Regarding "it looks like" or "it reminds me": My wife told me, that this is a typical "knife forum member"-attitude. She said, show him a knife design and his first comment is: "That design reminds me ..."; I think she is right, because I do the same! :)
 
Horus,
I like the design. It has nice lines. While it may not be the ultimate fighter it is a nice disign and would be a nice utility knife. If you think that a utility knife cannot be effective as a fighting knife I would like to remind you of 9-11. The beauty of the knife as a tool/weapon is its versitility.

Tom
 
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