A folder's potential role in subduing animal attacks?

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for those who haven't heard:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/04/chimp.attack.ap/index.html

1st off, i had no freaking idea that chimps were physically capable of mutilating & killing a grown man (i guess it also depends on the man), but still. one chip bit the dude's foot off while the other one chewed half of his face off - & even took his eye completely out. i just saw the story on the news last night, i'm kinda slow with current events.

anyway, my questions are...

1) do you think a folder with a 4" blade (the usual large EDC length) would have made a significant difference? this is pure speculation, but i think that a chimp would rather back off from attacking than getting continually slashed & stuck. sure, he might get in a nice bite or two, but that's about as far as i think it could go. ps - take it as a given that a large fixed blade would definitely "fix" the situation, but i'm talking about the typical large EDC.

2) any true blade-related varmint attack stories you wanna share?

i was (& still am) pretty disturbed by this news. i'd like to hear your thoughts on this topic, by apologies if it's in the wrong forum.
 
I have no idea about Chimps. LMAO

...but in all seriousness some animals will fight to the death and not just "back off".
 
Chimps are very strong. One he might deal with. Two intent on maiming him...he is toast. :barf:
 
Garlic said:
1) do you think a folder with a 4" blade (the usual large EDC length) would have made a significant difference? this is pure speculation, but i think that a chimp would rather back off from attacking than getting continually slashed & stuck. sure, he might get in a nice bite or two, but that's about as far as i think it could go. ps - take it as a given that a large fixed blade would definitely "fix" the situation, but i'm talking about the typical large EDC.
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Of course, the BFB (big fixed-blade) would be better. But a 4" folder certainly couldn't hurt.

As I often say, "better the little knife (or gun) that you have with you than the big one you left at home."
 
If he had either a harpy or matriarch or civilian, he might have a chance of gutting them like a fish.

Nothing keeps fighting (for long) when their intestines are on the ground.
 
They are still wild animals, as such should be treated with extreme caution. You let your guard down, you may pay the price like those people did. Also, chimps do hunt their own kind in the wild. When I say hunt, I mean hunt in the truest sense. The males travel in groups, nearly single file and very quiet until they catch the chimp from another group. Man, it's very brutal. They did to the care takers what they do when they hunt their own kind. They literally bite off the genitals and nearly everything else that normally protrudes from a body along with the beating, breaking bones ..... and then canibalizing their victim alive or not.
 
Oh, one more thing. A knife? A knife? Yeah, you might be able to get one, but they will eventually get you. It aint Conan the Barbarian stuff here, these are fast, string, wild animals. My money will be on the chimps every time.
 
yam said:
They literally bite off the genitals and nearly everything else that normally protrudes from a body along with the beating, breaking bones
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yeah, i couldn't believe my eyes whe i read that the pure guy got his nuts bit off in addition to losing his nose, eye, and foot, for sh!t's sake. that attack must have been just unreal.
 
I too have heard that chimps are very strong. Sure, it's not gorilla kinda strong (you are so very dead if attacked by a gorilla) but still strong enough.

A guy posted here a while ago asking which knife to use to kill a mastiff that had killed his dog, and if I recall correctly the general consensus reached here was that he basically stood no chance against the dog and it'd better to let the pros at animal control take care of it.

The lesson from the past few million years has been that when you want to kill a wild animal of reasonable size, you want to be as far away from it as possible, and I think that says a lot about the usefulness of a knife against the beasts.
 
uncleknife said:
If he had either a harpy or matriarch or civilian, he might have a chance of gutting them like a fish.

Nothing keeps fighting (for long) when their intestines are on the ground.
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Except the animals are equipped with similar weapons already and unlike our poor guy here, it would take them no time at all to deploy them.

Yeah as you said, he can't keep fighting for long when the chimps got his intestines on the ground.
 
yam said:
(...)They literally bite off the genitals and nearly everything else that normally protrudes from a body along with the beating, breaking bones ..... and then canibalizing their victim alive or not.
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Nature is beautiful! :)
 
I think I agree with YAM, here. A normal man wouldn't stand a chance against a full grown Chimpanzee, let alone two. And Chimpanzees have not been softened by thousands of years of domestication. I think I remember from school days hearing that an adult Chimp has the strength of six adult men. And they probably aren't out of shape from drinking too many beers and eating HoHo's. This is not a situation I would ever want to be in. A guy would probably do better against The Rock. Ouch!!
 
A young, fit, full grown adult human has the advantage of bulk and strength on a chimpanzee - not proportional to the weight, however. I'd put my money on a strong, fast man in a confrontaion with a single monkey, especially as the human is better able to improvise a weapon. The chimpanzees were attacking an old man who couldn't respond effectively. Chimpanzees have longer canines and fight ferociously - spider monkeys are supposedly pretty bad too. Monkey's jaw muscles (and human jaw muscles) apply significantly more force per square inch than canine jaws.

I can say from personal experience that monkeys that are familiar with people in game reservations can act agressively - not attacking, but stalking and acting confrontational. Pretty scary.

"Domesticated" monkeys often have trouble too. My mother, when she was younger, took care of an orangutan the she called Bullet. As Bullet grew older, he became increasingly violent and dangerous to be around.
 
A Dogs Best Friend said:
This is not a situation I would ever want to be in. A guy would probably do better against The Rock. Ouch!!
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Much better, and no probably. Never heard that Dwayne Johnson had either the dentition or inclination to chew your nuts and face off.

Honestly, my best guess it's one on those "situation, awareness, movement" things. Once the chimp hit him, had him on the ground, and was gnawing his fingers off, it wouldn't have mattered if he was packing a Matriarch, a katana, or a Colt 1911, he was screwed. It reminds me of a Marc MacYoung seminar on real knife "fights" - by the time the guy prison-rushes you from behind and shoves a shank in your kidney, your training and equipment don't matter much.

If he sees them coming, has a chance to deploy, etc, that's a different matter that we could mall-ninja to death.

I guess the lesson is "don't go to private zoos with sub-standard enclosures."

Or, less judgementally, it's a rough world, and sometimes bad sh*t happens.
 
By domesticated, I'm refering to the process of domestication through successive generations of breeding. It's a process called 'Neoteny.' What happens is that through many generations, more and more adult characteristics are bred out of a species and more and more juvenile characteristics remain. This is what has happened to the domesticated dog through probably 30-40,000 years of evolution. You eventually end up with an animal that is essentially a sexually mature puppy. They retain many puppy like behaviors and attitudes, etc. This hasn't happened yet to primate species like Chimps, domesticated only in a very limited sense. So, in my opinion, capable of a much more ferocious attack.
 
I don't know if a folder would have helped, but having one certainly would'nt hurt.

Allen.
 
A Dogs Best Friend said:
By domesticated, I'm refering to the process of domestication through successive generations of breeding. It's a process called 'Neoteny.' What happens is that through many generations, more and more adult characteristics are bred out of a species and more and more juvenile characteristics remain. This is what has happened to the domesticated dog through probably 30-40,000 years of evolution. You eventually end up with an animal that is essentially a sexually mature puppy. They retain many puppy like behaviors and attitudes, etc. This hasn't happened yet to primate species like Chimps, domesticated only in a very limited sense. So, in my opinion, capable of a much more ferocious attack.
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That why I put "domesticated" in quotes.

Actually, when you get right down to it, the monkey was a wild orangutan she found in the jungle. I forget the full story. This was in rural Sarawak, on the island of Borneo.
 
Knew a guy years ago that had a pet monkey....kept him in the garage. Us kids would pay him $.25 each to try to swat the monkey with a broom. Had a lot of fun, wore ourselves slick, never laid a straw on the monkey, and kept the guy in beer money.

Slice up a POed chimp with a knife???? Don't think so, I'd put my $.25 on the ape.

They're reported to have the strength of 6-8 strong men, I've heard 8. Adult males weigh more than you think, seems like I remember hearing 150, although I don't remember for sure.

Edited ...one web site says strength of 6-7 times that of a man, and 160 to 175 lbs weigh in.

I gotta hunch that the chimp figured that the husband stole his best squeeze, banished his ugly monkey butt to a fenced enclosure with a bunch of nasty, ugly, manure slinging apes. I think he laid awake at night thinking "I'm gonna get that suckah" and when the opportunity was right, laid in to him. I bet he even played purty so that he could get into firing distance.......


Thomas Zinn
 
Hello new here but posting anyway ;)

A full grown chimp is more than strong enough to pull your arm off if it wished.
It doesn't have the mass behind it a human does but if one jumped on you it could do what it wanted and you would stand little chance unless you were already armed and ready. I doubt a folder would be much use you would be beaten down too fast to get it open. A fixed blade may help if you got in some lucky strikes. All in all I would say the chimp wins.

Iain
 
I think it's something crazy like a chimp has the strength of 6 average guys put together. I would never mess with one nor would I want to be messed with by one.

There are very few animals that can not really hurt a man if the man has no weapons. I mean a 50lb bobcat will tear you up hardcore.

I love animals. I think it's great to think of the damage my 14lb cat at home can do....then I think "what if she weighed 100lb's?" Whoa.... I want no part of that :)

Anyway. I don't think a 4" knife would have helped at all. None what so ever.
 
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