Lets hope at that temp there is some snow to cover over a debris hut frame with twigs, boughs of some sort.
That is the best textbook engineered shelter I ever seen Impressive.
Skam
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Lets hope at that temp there is some snow to cover over a debris hut frame with twigs, boughs of some sort.
That is the best textbook engineered shelter I ever seen Impressive.
Skam
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Yep snow is actually a very good insulator, sled dogs will bury themselves in snow to keep warm.
Like Halcon said, a door could easily be made but I would prefer a secondary heat source, a fire with a reflector or even a candle. A nalgene filled with hot water will go a long was as well.
Has anyone ever tried hot stones warmed by the fire and covered with earth underneath you? I beleive it was Survivorman that tried it and it worked very well for him.
Like Halcon said, a door could easily be made but I would prefer a secondary heat source, a fire with a reflector or even a candle. A nalgene filled with hot water will go a long was as well.
Has anyone ever tried hot stones warmed by the fire and covered with earth underneath you? I beleive it was Survivorman that tried it and it worked very well for him.
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Skammer,
To answer your main concern, I think it would be pretty easy to fashion a triangular "plug" door with evergreen boughs that could wedge in the doorway.
A good mix of suspension (boughs) and loft (leaves) will help minimize compression of ground insulation.
-- FLIX
To answer your main concern, I think it would be pretty easy to fashion a triangular "plug" door with evergreen boughs that could wedge in the doorway.
A good mix of suspension (boughs) and loft (leaves) will help minimize compression of ground insulation.
-- FLIX
Agreed. I still think its about a foot too high on the inside. A lot of cold air around him in there.
Skam
"This shelter is superior to a lean-to in that it creates more dead air space (insulation)."
Well I don't know about that- I would say it depends on the availability of fire. If you hafe a way to produce fire, a lean-to with a raised bed and a fir close in front is much better in my experience. The A frame is not a house, it is a sleeping bag. A dirty, damp, buggy sleeping bag!
Better than nothing by far, but not as good- to me- as a shelter that can incorporate a fire.
Well I don't know about that- I would say it depends on the availability of fire. If you hafe a way to produce fire, a lean-to with a raised bed and a fir close in front is much better in my experience. The A frame is not a house, it is a sleeping bag. A dirty, damp, buggy sleeping bag!
Better than nothing by far, but not as good- to me- as a shelter that can incorporate a fire.Well, horse, there are ways of incorporating a fire here, as well.
As you can see, this shelter does a better job of managing heat loss through convection.
A fire bed used in combination with this shelter works well. Then again, burrowing into debris in combination with a fire-bed works well.
I'm not saying a lean-to doesn't work well, but it is not efficient at heat loss mitigation, again, through convection.
In a cold environment, I would use a shelter of this type long before that of a lean-to, provided I had the material at hand to make it.
Perhaps it is the different areas we live in, or even our respective level of experience, but I can tell you a lean-to doesn't hold a grain of salt to a debris shelter or even an a-frame shelter.
Also, fire management throughout the night, with the lean-to set up you describe, can be taxing and calls for a sleepless night. YMMV, however!
Alan
As you can see, this shelter does a better job of managing heat loss through convection.
A fire bed used in combination with this shelter works well. Then again, burrowing into debris in combination with a fire-bed works well.
I'm not saying a lean-to doesn't work well, but it is not efficient at heat loss mitigation, again, through convection.
In a cold environment, I would use a shelter of this type long before that of a lean-to, provided I had the material at hand to make it.
Perhaps it is the different areas we live in, or even our respective level of experience, but I can tell you a lean-to doesn't hold a grain of salt to a debris shelter or even an a-frame shelter.
Also, fire management throughout the night, with the lean-to set up you describe, can be taxing and calls for a sleepless night. YMMV, however!
Alan