A funny thing happened on the way to eBay

A older imported fixed blade, an example of a predecessor for another later knife (Schrade) which I am researching. I suspect a connection, a familiarity with the example by the Baer brothers that led them to design their knife with a close resemblence (though not a copy), and then not apply for a design patent on it as was done with the 15OT Deerslayer design. I believe the example shows prior art.

Michael
 
ebay provides me with exposure to all kinds of knives i did not know even existed. i then come back here or do an internet search and see what i can learn about the knives which look interesting to me. it's buyer beware, but you can learn a lot too.

I had not considered the research or educational aspect of ebay. Well said. And yes, by doing very little shopping online I have severely limited my collection and exposure. However, there is something about old hardware stores, little sports shops, and flea markets that draw me. (Also those dusty 2nd hand book stores) Just another form of addiction I guess.
 
Yes, definately. Without being able to conduct pattern surveys on eBay, I would never be able to record enough serial numbers, production and packaging changes. It is also a good source for information such as original magazine ads, Schrade. Belknap and Sears catalogs, and source books such as Levine's, Goins, etc. Even if you don't buy, it helps to view for comparing details of knives which interest you so that you will know what you are seeing in those out of the way stores and fleamarkets.

Michael
 
$39.95 this time. But he couldn't afford to sell it for $54. Should I offer to take it for $19.95? No, no...he pays me to take it! Owowowowowowow?

:D
Michael
 
$39.95 this time. But he couldn't afford to sell it for $54. Should I offer to take it for $19.95? No, no...he pays me to take it! Owowowowowowow?

:D
Michael

How much time has this bozo wasted, when he could have moved on to his next auction...:rolleyes:

G
 
I'd just send a message with that owowowowow quote:D :D

Eric
 
i like ebay but you have good guys and bad guys,i buy & sell,id name is the same, you just have to treat the sellers & buyers with a little respect (kinda like talking to a toddler)when inquiring about something or if you come across harsh or rude you''l get the same back very quickly, i like direct and to the point and micheal to me your question was fine... later TD
 
I think it is obvious the type you are dealing with. Anybody that sells knives with any regularity should not be offended at any reasonable offer (which yours was), just as buyers should not be offended if it is politely declined.

Mike Latham
http://www.collectorknives.net
 
$39.95 this time. But he couldn't afford to sell it for $54. Should I offer to take it for $19.95? No, no...he pays me to take it! Owowowowowowow?

:D
Michael

He did get one bidder this time and sold it for $39.95. Half of his original listing price and a month of listings. And the funny part is, the guy claims to be an NKCA officer.

Michael
 
Michael, I will pm you a separate question that Orvet said you may be able to help me with.
As for the bayE sellers, I find the way they answer questions or if their descriptions have more conditions and disclaimers than details on the auction item, a good indicator of whether they be worth the effort if a dispute did come up. When things go perfect, most anybody looks good. But how they address a problem or answer a question can be quite telling.
When sending a question, it is a good idea to remember it may be posted as an amendment to the auction for all the world to read.
If I'm not sure about a seller for whatever reason, low # of sales, innaccurate or overly brief descrips, but I'm interested in their item, a test question sometimes is helpful. As mentioned, many have "standard ground freight" (or whatever that generic term is) $8.50 and they never mention what you get for your $8.50. SO I may send ?? asking which type of freight is included for $8.50, priority with delivery confirmation or parcel post or other? Sometimes a nice response comes back, sometimes a curt short abrupt answer, and sometimes NO answer. The seller that says it is for priority with DC and they also insure all items is preferable to the one that says Read the description, S&h is $8.50 (nonanswer-50pts).
Or of they only have one side pictured, a request for a pic of the other side and the second pic is posted on auction, usually a good sign.
Also if they do have some neutral or neg feedbacks if and how they responded to it is revealing. Some just point out the facts, I did this, it didn't work, sorry. Others scold the poster, or call them names.
One thing about bayE if you pass on an item, another will be along directly, week or two at the most. kinda like catching a train.
Another theory is if you get beat out of an item, maybe it is fate watching out for you because another you like better and selling at a less high traffic time is due into the station in a few days.

in this instance Michael, this guy's problem may be Control. He will lower his price when he wants to, it's HIS auction, not some bidder trying to PULL a FAST ONE! I think some people sell on ebay because they do NOT have to deal with people, or even know how to.
Just a few observations I've made on this apparently not uncommon problem of boneheads on BayE lol.
I also try to pad my questions lightly if they may be taken wrongway otherwise. Particularly when you are asking for a drop in their price.
Last week I found a 25th Anniversary 034 (more on 034 SA in next post if you WANT to find one) loose with no box seller had at $49.95 and looking at his other auctions, it was one of two knives mixed in with lots of other various stuff. packrat seller, not a cutlery seller. So I sent my ?? asking what condition was the knife since hard for me to tell from the pic. But from marks on blade it appeared used a little. Then I ASKEd if it didn't sell by end of auction (1hr) would he consider doing a buy it now for $24 +S&H?
I got busy, lost track of time and it had already closed by time I checked. It didn't sell 7 I had a message. From him, said "that will be fine". Went to watch list, clicked on ended auction to click his other items and BAM there it was a BIN for $24. With 3 views already!! lol So I slammed that door and everyone is happy. Instead of saying "I'll give you $25 instead of $50" I asked if he would consider $24 plus shipping? That way they still have control and it is not quite as an afront to their honor or whatever. An old store owner once told me he refused any offer like "I'll give ya $40 for it" or "I can go as high as $40" since he didn't like folks telling him what his stuff was worth. On the other hand if someone asked is this the best you can do on the price? or any discount for cash? these types of inquiries didn't trip his Heck No meter. Funny how so many years later that lesson on tradin from Mr. Gene Shaw still stays in my head, rest his soul.
Sorry didn't mean to ramble on so. guess answer to the question is, yep think we all met some boneheads and some good'uns on BayE (&elsewhere!). Good luck to all on their knife searches wherever they may lead.
 
I found a seller on BayE that has one, maybe more, of the 1984 Old Timer Silver Anniversary 034 stockman Schrade produced to celebrate 25 years of the Old Timer nameplate.
Knife has antique bone handles, sterling silver coined shield, sterling silver fluted bolsters, engine turned backsprings, rear bolster serial number (1-5000), Old Timer 25th Anniversary blade etch. Comes in a redwood hinged top Box with blue & silver velour knife pouch, and several papers. Redwood box ships in a gray cardboard box with 34SA and serial number printed on one end.
It is about as fancy as any Old Timer stockman ever was I suspect. And nicely presented when intact an original as these are suppose to be.
This link is provided as a public Schradeaholic Service, I am not affiliated with the seller in anyway. Simply found them while searching by "Anniversary".
His auction mentions serial #s 3800 and 3808, so I don't know if this is his last one or if he has 9 or more on hand. I sent him a ?? and will add his response (ifany) here later.
I saw a few complete ones go for about $100 in 2005 and one went for $170. So his BIN at $149.95 is in that realm although not "a steal". I just haven't seen many offered (4 in 3 yrs?) so nice to see some available at all.
Auction Number 170115098222 , hope this is of help to some collector and within posting guidelines.
 
Well, a few years ago when I was a little younger and a whole lot more naive (read: stupid) I got hooked on a set of auctions on Ebay, some knives with animals depicted on the scales. I bought the first few for just a few dollars each but ended up paying $20 and $25 for the last two. I was extremely disappointed with they arrived and were factory thirds or fourths.

I complained to the seller who informed me they could have been purchased in his Ebay store for around $4 each so to shut up and quit whining.

My point: He also had around 95% approval rating, but all of the negative comments were right on the money.

I guess it comes down to caveat emptor every time and the old adage from the Post Office: If if sounds too good to be true, it probably is!
 
Don't forget the "Live & learn" part. Some of it you can just write off as the price of your knife procurement education! lol
If I find an item of interest and it has some activity that may take it above my limit, I do a search for same item or pattern number and try to find if any others are listed. One may have 5 folks jockeying for position while another just like it but with a poorer picture has 0-1 bids. Also a good way to see if all the Purple bone hoof pickers are going for $50 for just that one.
Now of course all this is easier to do when 2-48 hrs left instead of 3 minutes!!
run Forest RUN!

BTW Codger, forgot to mention I wouldn't mess w/your seller if I were you (I'm not). Even if that knife dropped to $9.99 & free shipping, it's the principle. He disssed you, so why spend a plug nickel with him? Plenty of nice folks out there (when you can find 'em) trying to make a living in the multi-billion dollar cutlery Bidniss. I'd rather support them than the boneheads and mightier than thou heads. But that's just me. I could be wrong.
 
I think it is obvious the type you are dealing with. Anybody that sells knives with any regularity should not be offended at any reasonable offer (which yours was), just as buyers should not be offended if it is politely declined.
Hi Mike,
Your comment reminded me of something my dad told us a looooooong time ago. My lil sister asked him if she could ask him a question about something in that kind of voice where you usually think Rutro, what's coming now?
His reply was that He never would mind any of us asking him a question as long as we didn't mind it when his answer was NO!
(Guess you had to be there) ;)
 
Generally, this is my feeling. No, I won't buy from him, regardless of the knife or deal. Maybe he just had a bad day. But I would not expect a prospective customer to return if I insulted them. And then was dishonest about my business practice (if I relist, it will only be higher). True he can list any knife at any price he wishes, and refuse to take less. True, he can make money off his shipping business to augment his knife business. And I don't have to buy from him. By listing on eBay, he did invite me to bid. He invited millions of people to bid. I did not tell him what his knife was worth. I told him what I offered for the knife. A genuine, cash in hand offer. Had he not gone out of his way to offend me, I might have bought it at one of his lower relisting prices. I don't mean to keep beating a dead horse here, and apologize if it seems that I am. 99.9% of my eBay transactions have been positive. When I am disappointed with one, I can almost always point the finger at myself when placing blame. I didn't ask. I accepted a poor picture. I sold myself on the auction. And I am yet to leave a seller sorry feedback because of my own blunder. I may leave them bland, generic feedback, but not bad.

Michael
 
Codger, here's the DU Greenwing I was asking you about, it showed up today. Three pcs of paperwork in box, none has a copyright date in a corner so still in the dark as to when this item was issued. Thanks for the guidance & info.
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