A. G. Russell Looking for Help, once again

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I wanted to make a knife, a good sturdy, usable knife based on my most popular K93, Featherliite, one hand knife, good steel , but, lowest possible cost. I needed a knife that I could sell for a reasonable price, donate a quarter of the price to the Wounded Warrior Project and not lose too much money. I know that you would trust me when I say the value is there, what I want is your opinion of what the NON knife person would think when confronted with a knife that cost $18.95 and $1.95 S&H with $5. donated to the WWP?

This knife is 3" handle, of 30%glass in nylon, midlock, 8Cr-13MoV, you know what this means but I don't think the general public will.

Would they see this as a cheap knife or a good deal?
 
The general public doesn't know what the difference is between 8CR13MOV and any other steel. Sharp steel is sharp steel to them. I think it might not be as popular as a Kershaw clash, 1 ton, tremor, or other knives from big companies, but I'd buy one.
 
A. G., I admire your work. Your desire and heart are in the right place. I know people would question buying a knife made in China to help the Wounded Warrior Project. Why? The world is a different place than it was even 10 years ago.

On the one hand, they don't want to pay high prices but on the other, they might question your motives for using a product of China. A lot of people will not know or care and buy one anyway, and for those who know and don't wish to buy Chinese products for such a cause, put a "DONATE $5" button where they can show their concern the same way in which you show yours.
 
Hello,

Any time a company donates money to anything that has to do with solders its a great thing. You might have better luck taking an already successful design and making a special edition in od green or desert tan, maybe with an upgraded steel too. Charge a little more then normal but keep it reasonable. Youll save your self a little money on r and d plus tooling and everything thing else that goes into a new design. Like Spyderco did with the Native operation iraqi freedom.

Have a good one,

Chris
 
I suspect a lot of people will look at it as a good size to drop in a pocket and a good cause.
some folks will see the cause and figure the knife is a decent bonus.
then there will be the folks who buy all their tacticool cutlery for $5 at gas stations and it wouldn't matter if this model was 24k gold plated, they'd think it was too expensive.

for me, as a knife user, that sounds like perfect stocking stuffer material, good size and shape for a work knife, etc...
 
I'm on the fence here. Great idea, but I disagree on the WWP for a multitude of reasons.

Perhaps the Special Operations Warrior Foundation would make it more unique?

My problem is that I need a group that is easily known to the widest segment of the population. Once I know how near I can come to break-even I will know just how far I can risk having to spend more time explaining the group getting the donation than the knife.

When I get there I will be asking for suggestions about such groups, but not right now.
 
With Zero Dark Thirty releasing on the 11th, the timing would be perfect.

WWP has had to make retractions after admitting they were anti- gun and anti-knife. That's just the tip of the iceberg. Everybody has been donating to them and the financial accountability has gone south...Popularity shouldn't be a deciding factor, IMHO.

WWP Charity Rating

SOWF Charity Rating
 
I think that if you're sellin' online or from your catalog, you'll get all the people here on BFC to spend the money but the Wally World/HomeDepot knife buyin' public will reach for the $5 knife in a bucket at the register.

For me personally I' d buy 'em and recommend them to anyone I know, the Featherlite is a great DVD for most people and the donation aspect is very patriotic and a way to have people feel like they're helpin'.
 
With Zero Dark Thirty releasing on the 11th, the timing would be perfect.

WWP has had to make retractions after admitting they were anti- gun and anti-knife. That's just the tip of the iceberg. Everybody has been donating to them and the financial accountability has gone south...Popularity shouldn't be a deciding factor, IMHO.

WWP Charity Rating

SOWF Charity Rating

Thanks for the information. Please give me sources for the anti gun and knife position, as youi might guess, I am tough on anti gun people. I have been a life member of the NRA since 1956 or 7
 
Quite a few links ftom these articles...

Controversy

WOUNDED WARRIOR PROJECT APPEARS ON GUN TALK RADIO TO ADDRESS ANTI-GUN STANCE

Wounded Warrior Project Offers ‘Clarification’ For ‘Anti-Gun’ Policy

Does the Wounded Warrior Project (WWP) have a bias against guns and gun makers?

The comment that started it all came from Leslie Coleman, PR Director for WWP....

“While we appreciate the interest in having a WWP representative on your show on Veterans Day we are not able to participate in interviews or activities with media/organizations that are related to firearms,” said Ms. Coleman in her email.

As I posted, they have made a number of retractions since that event.

That lit the fuse, and hundreds (if not thousands) of gun rights supporters contacted WWP for clarification. The response was . . . a bit bland. Mostly it was along the lines of “We support the Second Amendment . . .,” but the WWP web site specifically called out the firearms industry as one it would not “co-brand” with. That is, it would not allow the use of its logo on guns (and it turns out, on knives, either.)

The other industries it won’t co-brand with? Alcohol and sex.

Coleman’s explanation that guns are used in suicides, and suicide is a big issue for returning vets, set off a firestorm of response. WWP quietly started making changes to its web site, removing mention of firearms, or changing it to “weapons.” Online firearms boards documented the changes, posting the before and after. The pressure mounted on WWP.
 
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Hello,

Any time a company donates money to anything that has to do with solders its a great thing. You might have better luck taking an already successful design and making a special edition in od green or desert tan, maybe with an upgraded steel too. Charge a little more then normal but keep it reasonable. Youll save your self a little money on r and d plus tooling and everything thing else that goes into a new design. Like Spyderco did with the Native operation iraqi freedom.

Have a good one,

Chris

Agreed.
 
Well, aside from that issue, the knife.

I don't think the public will care much one way or the other. Wounded Warriors are coming from 1% of the public, those that serve. In the day, 1 in 10 were veterans, now, it's much much smaller. That's the effect of an all volunteer army. It could be said there are other affects in society, but that's not the point here.

Since I see the majority of donators as coming from the enthusiast community, the knife itself should be something they would want to carry already - plus having the exclusive cachet of a limited color, engraving or mark, etc.

In that vein, 154CM and G10. I could name a few, my current interest is the Benchmade Rift 950, but whatever - it's the appointments that would do it. It's just the other end of the spectrum, but I think that pricing a tad under street would drive sales - the average knife guy would say, I'm getting a deal AND making a contribution? Sure. There would be more incentive, and if the offer was couched to say the "all the proceeds go to charity X," it would be win-win-win. They get the money, we get the knife, and you don't get hurt.

There is also the tie-in for the maker, too. The long term result would be a high quality knife perceived as having class, although the product proposed wouldn't be any slouch with your oversight. An FRN knife would be fashioned like many other knives given away with commercial Branding, tho, like a Gerber LST with Oregon chainsaw marks. Nice enough when free, not so special otherwise.

Basically I'm saying that when it looks like the vendor is making a sacrifice, and the person donating thinks they are getting a bargain, they will likely line up. Plenty of folks aren't self centered and donate, but you and I might agree the younger generations seem to be a bit more self centered. Maybe that's just a matter of advanced perspective, tho. I wonder what my dad thought about things a lot more now that I'm older.

FWIW.
 
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