Listen to Rock6 and Erasmus!! Heed their sage advice.
Okay, I'm going to get pounced on I know. I don't know why I try to help...but here is a reality check:
First of all if what the OP says happens, happens then do we really think we can throw on an OD green 3 day pack with spare clothes, some bottle water, KaBar knife, and an MRE and walk three days to the wilderness like we going on a weekend outing and actually establish a sustainable base camp to live for a few months or year? Or do we really think we can load up a car and just drive where you please?
Now granted perhaps we can walk and/or drive before things go completely south. But what is our back up plan if our primary fails and doesn't work out? And once we get to our destination - then what?
If we really get into a pandemic or civil unrest situation then we're going to be living in and operating in an actual hostile or potentially hostile environment - an environment that most us have never been in, lived in, survived in, or have concept of what it is like, or no idea or real preperation of what it is going to take to survive. We're clueless. We've never seen despiration, stavation, chaos, or people totally without a goverment to tell them what to do or a plan to deal with life now on their own. Watch Black Hawk Down again and look at how those people live and what it is like to walk or drive from point A to B and that might just give you a clue of how a more evolved hostile environment turns into very quickly.
With this being established, then how much real value is an OD green backpack full of extra clothes, an MRE and some bottle water going to have? Now, I"m not saying don't get a backpack and some supplies...I'm saying listen to Rock6 & Erasmus, devise a realistic plan of what really and potentially could and will happen, and build a long-term plan and not some trendy cool I'm going to throw a backpack on and walk to the woods plan. Granted that may very well be a good plan...but just realistically think it through.
What I'm going to share with you next will most likely will fall on deaf ears is to forgo the buying of gear or packs for right now and instead seek out someone who has actually had to live, work, and operate in an hostile environment or who was caught in one during an uprising. Find a friend, a buddy, or seek out someone who as been there and done that. Then invest some time listening, taking notes, and truly understanding the unique skill set, organization, planning, and equipment/supplies needed to survive in this hostile environment.
Here is an analogy which might help us grasp some reality: What advise would you all give me if I posted a new thread that said something like "What kind of parachute should I buy in order to jump out of an airplane during a stormy night over a remote island in order to temporarly survive a pandemic?" Oh, and I have no parachute or night/storm jumping experience. And I've never stayed on an island longer than three to five days but I had all sorts of really cool specialised equipment to camp with.
I know this is a crazy unrealistic analogy...or is it?
Now there are some similar parallels with my crazy analogy and our obsession on this forum with buying BOB packs and gear in order to bug out into the wild. What are they? First, we have no training or experience parachuting or bugging out and we certainly have no concept or true understanding of what is involved. Secondly, we've never jump at all much less at night or during a storm - which is the equivilant of a pandemic where one must sleep/hide during the day and move at night amongst people roaming around trying to victimize, torment, rob, and kill without hesitation. Reading the many threads on this forum about people standing still shooting non-animated, non moving targets with their handguns gives us a good clue most of us have no reality of the highly dynamic and chaotic environment of most deadly confrontations often with multiple attackers.
And thirdly we have no real experience living on a remote island any more than we do actually living (not just camping or playing) in the wilderness when there are going to be others living there or attempting to live in the wilderness and there is going to be bands of people roaming around the wilderness looking to pick off any solo or small innocent groups of people who are not prepared to address such situations. Also we have no concept of what it is going to be like just trying to do simple tasks in this environment. Building a standard cooking fire is only an invitation for others to see the light, smoke, and wander over to see what you're up too. Smell and sounds travel in the wild - so if you're cooking meat, busting firewood into, and leaving traces of someone being in the area is only a calling card of human activity. Again, most of us have never had to live in a hostile environment so this is a foreign reality of how to really cook, sleep, get water, stay warm, move, and live without leaving any visible trace that anyone was ever there.
Most of us are thinking we can eat deer meat, pick mushrooms, and eat natural veggies. The reality is most of the game will be harvested within the first month, any game left is going deep into the wild, very deep. Most of us have never lived on a steady diet of wild natural foods and our digestive systems are going to revolt, and revolt hard! Also many of us have this idea I'll just live off the land. Well the land requires many-many calories to harvest foods that will not equally replenish the same amount or more calories. And those of us who like to wack wood into with our little knives don't realize this burns a lot of calories relative to the output produced. There is a reason our forefathers used axes and large saws. And most of us have no plan of where we're going, what we're going to do when we get there, where to set up a place to live which is defendable or hidable and most of us do not know how to live in a hostile environment where light & noise discipline is the difference between life or death.
I mean no disrespect to the OP or anyone else. I just see these multiple "what BOB" should I buy threads and it is painfully obvious most of us have no clue what we're doing. Possessing a 3 day pack full of extra clothes and a customized knife is not the same as being competent in truly addressing the realistic situation at hand. Just saying...
Okay, I'm going to get pounced on I know. I don't know why I try to help...but here is a reality check:
First of all if what the OP says happens, happens then do we really think we can throw on an OD green 3 day pack with spare clothes, some bottle water, KaBar knife, and an MRE and walk three days to the wilderness like we going on a weekend outing and actually establish a sustainable base camp to live for a few months or year? Or do we really think we can load up a car and just drive where you please?
Now granted perhaps we can walk and/or drive before things go completely south. But what is our back up plan if our primary fails and doesn't work out? And once we get to our destination - then what?
If we really get into a pandemic or civil unrest situation then we're going to be living in and operating in an actual hostile or potentially hostile environment - an environment that most us have never been in, lived in, survived in, or have concept of what it is like, or no idea or real preperation of what it is going to take to survive. We're clueless. We've never seen despiration, stavation, chaos, or people totally without a goverment to tell them what to do or a plan to deal with life now on their own. Watch Black Hawk Down again and look at how those people live and what it is like to walk or drive from point A to B and that might just give you a clue of how a more evolved hostile environment turns into very quickly.
With this being established, then how much real value is an OD green backpack full of extra clothes, an MRE and some bottle water going to have? Now, I"m not saying don't get a backpack and some supplies...I'm saying listen to Rock6 & Erasmus, devise a realistic plan of what really and potentially could and will happen, and build a long-term plan and not some trendy cool I'm going to throw a backpack on and walk to the woods plan. Granted that may very well be a good plan...but just realistically think it through.
What I'm going to share with you next will most likely will fall on deaf ears is to forgo the buying of gear or packs for right now and instead seek out someone who has actually had to live, work, and operate in an hostile environment or who was caught in one during an uprising. Find a friend, a buddy, or seek out someone who as been there and done that. Then invest some time listening, taking notes, and truly understanding the unique skill set, organization, planning, and equipment/supplies needed to survive in this hostile environment.
Here is an analogy which might help us grasp some reality: What advise would you all give me if I posted a new thread that said something like "What kind of parachute should I buy in order to jump out of an airplane during a stormy night over a remote island in order to temporarly survive a pandemic?" Oh, and I have no parachute or night/storm jumping experience. And I've never stayed on an island longer than three to five days but I had all sorts of really cool specialised equipment to camp with.
I know this is a crazy unrealistic analogy...or is it?
Now there are some similar parallels with my crazy analogy and our obsession on this forum with buying BOB packs and gear in order to bug out into the wild. What are they? First, we have no training or experience parachuting or bugging out and we certainly have no concept or true understanding of what is involved. Secondly, we've never jump at all much less at night or during a storm - which is the equivilant of a pandemic where one must sleep/hide during the day and move at night amongst people roaming around trying to victimize, torment, rob, and kill without hesitation. Reading the many threads on this forum about people standing still shooting non-animated, non moving targets with their handguns gives us a good clue most of us have no reality of the highly dynamic and chaotic environment of most deadly confrontations often with multiple attackers.
And thirdly we have no real experience living on a remote island any more than we do actually living (not just camping or playing) in the wilderness when there are going to be others living there or attempting to live in the wilderness and there is going to be bands of people roaming around the wilderness looking to pick off any solo or small innocent groups of people who are not prepared to address such situations. Also we have no concept of what it is going to be like just trying to do simple tasks in this environment. Building a standard cooking fire is only an invitation for others to see the light, smoke, and wander over to see what you're up too. Smell and sounds travel in the wild - so if you're cooking meat, busting firewood into, and leaving traces of someone being in the area is only a calling card of human activity. Again, most of us have never had to live in a hostile environment so this is a foreign reality of how to really cook, sleep, get water, stay warm, move, and live without leaving any visible trace that anyone was ever there.
Most of us are thinking we can eat deer meat, pick mushrooms, and eat natural veggies. The reality is most of the game will be harvested within the first month, any game left is going deep into the wild, very deep. Most of us have never lived on a steady diet of wild natural foods and our digestive systems are going to revolt, and revolt hard! Also many of us have this idea I'll just live off the land. Well the land requires many-many calories to harvest foods that will not equally replenish the same amount or more calories. And those of us who like to wack wood into with our little knives don't realize this burns a lot of calories relative to the output produced. There is a reason our forefathers used axes and large saws. And most of us have no plan of where we're going, what we're going to do when we get there, where to set up a place to live which is defendable or hidable and most of us do not know how to live in a hostile environment where light & noise discipline is the difference between life or death.
I mean no disrespect to the OP or anyone else. I just see these multiple "what BOB" should I buy threads and it is painfully obvious most of us have no clue what we're doing. Possessing a 3 day pack full of extra clothes and a customized knife is not the same as being competent in truly addressing the realistic situation at hand. Just saying...
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