A History Lesson

Kevin the grey said:
I am not fighting against a totalitarian government . There can be no comparison . It is not necessarily an evil act to disarm citizens . Just a misguided one .
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Problem is that you might be. Call me paranoid, but remember the frog in the pot. Commies won the elections here in 1948. Then they canceled it for good, immediatelly.
 
alberich said:
Nope, this was a long process and without Gorbachew we would never succed. There was an isolated attempt to split from commie block in 1968 and it ended in blood, Russians just rode in in tanks.
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That's my point though, some Soviet satellites became democratic without bloodshed and some didn't. Listing countries like post #1 (none of which we have any cultural/historical affinity with -except maybe Germnay) is merely gun propaganda.

The cause of supression/oppression is a non-transparent government, guns are only one of the many tools used to oppress people with.
 
alberich said:
Problem is that you might be. Call me paranoid, but remember the frog in the pot. Commies won the elections here in 1948. Then they canceled it for good, immediatelly.
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Aside from the fact that I quite like potted frog there is too much generalisation in your point of view . I am glad to entertain a different perspective as long as we keep things within perspective .The Brits may be a different people . There are also stalwart and have a siege mentality that has never gone away .
 
opened my eyes to the evil that lurks in the hearts of man and the craven hearts of UN officials who disarmed those they were meant to protect and allowed them to be slaughtered.
 
alberich said:
One last comment - you likely know that proverbial "boiling frog" experiment?

A frog which is thrown in boiling water immediatelly jumps out.

But if the same frog sits in a pot of water which go slowly warmer and warmer, it will stay in and dies.

So there's the advice: Just keep watching the water temperature.
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That bit of propaganda is totally false.:mad:
 
Sutcliffe said:
opened my eyes to the evil that lurks in the hearts of man and the craven hearts of UN officials who disarmed those they were meant to protect and allowed them to be slaughtered.
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The UN disarmed Bosnians and Rwandans, thus causing /aiding both genocides? Wow, are we making stuff up now or what ? :rolleyes:
 
On the other hand...

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Kevin the grey said:
Just what do I do with the 300 frogs I just bought ? Hmmm Frog , catapult .
Frog in Catapult . Frog in space .
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Oh...just had frogs the other day..............
 
jmings said:
:jerkit:

That bit of propaganda is totally false.:mad:
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I was wondering about that. I didn't think a frog that was thrown into boiling water would be jumping ANYWHERE, ANYMORE, EVER AGAIN. ...... That is unless he is somehow related to that bear huntin' puddytat. :D

James
 
The only problem with guns at hands is, imo, that they tend to be used too soon with fatal consequences.
For example on an innocent tourist who has lost his way, rings at a door to ask for directions and gets shot by some triggerhappy and bloke inside.
Its true, guns dont kill, people do. But why do you have so many homicides in the USA, per capita? So much more than in any other part of the world? Including Canada, where there are as many guns, too.
Maybe those who are in favour of guncontrol think along the lines of "you dont give matches to a child, dont you".
 
OK, I'll let it drop. But ask yourself, why to ban guns or weapons anyway. And please don't tell me that criminals use legal weapons to commit their crimes.
 
Weeks ago one of the top Communist leaders in Nepal claimed that not that many people were killed by Stalin and Mao. I say that is ignorance at the least, and a downright lie overlooking the facts of history at best. Now they say they are ready to disarm to form a new government - watch out! Mao said "Political power comes out of the barrel of a gun." Remember these are Maoists. They are not for everyone having gun rights - just themselves.

http://www.thehimalayantimes.com/fullstory.asp?filename=6a6Pa4wa.9amal&folder=aHaoamW&Name=Home&sImageFileName=

Imagine the Maoists collecting Customs duties on HI products.
 
Nordic Viking said:
The UN disarmed Bosnians and Rwandans, thus causing /aiding both genocides? Wow, are we making stuff up now or what ? :rolleyes:
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Nordic Viking,

Here's just one link to the Bosnia massacre:
http://www.columbia.edu/itc/journalism/nelson/rohde/p-11162.html

Similar links can be easily found on the internet.

You think I will turn in my guns to the U.N.? Sure - they can have mine bullet first. U.N. = Uncompetent Nincompoots.
 
hdwrlover said:
Nordic Viking,

Here's just one link to the Bosnia massacre:
http://www.columbia.edu/itc/journalism/nelson/rohde/p-11162.html

Similar links can be easily found on the internet.

You think I will turn in my guns to the U.N.? Sure - they can have mine bullet first. U.N. = Uncompetent Nincompoots.
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hdwrlover,

Your link describes civilians murdered in a demilitarised zone. Sutcliffe's post contends that the UN took away these people's weapons, so they couldn't fight and thus were massacred. Two totally unrelated facts, IMO.
 
hdwrlover said:
You think I will turn in my guns to the U.N.? Sure - they can have mine bullet first. U.N. = Uncompetent Nincompoots.
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They won't understand. People will never believe that the stuff from news can happen to them.
People are often scared of weapons and they don't understand that weapon can mean a safety, not a menace. Many never experienced the fact that government can mean an enemy and police an oppresive force rather than a protection.
Or they just take their freedom for granted and believe that others will protect it and protect them... as if police can act as a bodyguard for anyone... well sure the bad guys will wait and attack you when the police patrol car pass by.
 
I'm a very strong supporter in the rights of law abiding citizens to own firearms, so the first post in this thread is sacred to me :)

Anyhow, how soon people forget the riots in California after the cops involved in the first Rodney King trials were let off.

Folks went crazy in all sorts of areas. Cops were overwhelmed and could not respond to most calls being made to them, leaving most people to fend for themselves. It surely showed us all how being dependent on others for protection is greatly a flawed idea.

I still vividly remember the scenes where businesses were being burnt down to the ground, except for those that were being defended by armed citizens.

The guy that was pulled out of his 18 wheeler and bashed in the head with a brick, was another scene that will forever stay in my mind.

For those that believe that gun ownership is an obsolete idea, and that one should at all times let the law handle disturbances, I feel that they are not living in the real world.
A free society oftentimes means more personal danger for it's citizens. It's part of the price we pay for not being some sort of police state.

I believe it may have been Ben Franklin who said that those who are willing to give up their freedoms for safety, deserve neither. For the most part, I agree with that way of thinking.

I believe in organized City, County, State, and Federal policing, but they are not the all to end all. They too have their limitations, and should not be expected, nor are they obligated to be there when you need them.
Having a gun does not mean that it will save you and family from real physical harm, but it sure may be the tool that does just that!

My way of thinking................."Better safe than sorry" :)
 
I forget what this thread was originally about, but I heard on the radio this morning (assume it was true (dangerous thinking at times) that out of the developed nations, Brittain was the most violent. So much for gun and knife control (if true).
 
Thanks Munk :)

I will admit something that I have admitted very few times in my life........

Though I'm usually open to other peoples views, the one subject that I passionately defend more than just about any other,.......... is our right to firearms ownership.

When the subject comes up about guns, and someone speaks against their legal ownership, I tend to have my blood pressure rise to the point where my ears get very red, (I'm feeling them get red now), especially if they won't listen to reason ;)

My blood pressure rising is not a threat to anyone that I'm speaking to, but only a sign of how important this subject is to me. Very few things rile me up like having a person give me "their" reasons why more gun control laws should be written up and passed.

It's even the one subject that may not allow me to befriend a person, since I have a hard time being friendly to a person that disagrees with my legal gun ownership.

I'm not saying that it's right for me to be this way, but it is what it is, and it's simply the truth.

This is called.................. "The true confessions of JJ"................ LOL! :)
 
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