a few weeks ago i was out at my friends showing him how to grind a knife so he could grind his next. after i had ground the knife i asked his wife if she wanted it for a kitchen knife. she said ok and this is what i made. it was a little heavy so i cut it down to lighten it up. now it balances right where your index finger would be. my friends knife didnt turn out too bad either. i had to straighten him out a few times but he finally got it. when he was within a few minutes of grinding to finish the blade i had him stop just so he wouldnt mess it up since he done so good getting it as far as he did.