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A knife a water bottle and a flint.....?
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Well...I'm going to admit to cheating...it's hypothetical anyways
I didn't like the Crusader canteen/cup pouch, so I was going through all my gear (still am...getting my garage re-organzied after my year and a half vacation to Iraq is time-consuming)...and found a few accessory pouches. One fit the NATO canteen and both the plastic and stainless Crusader cup, plus a little outer webbing for accessory pouches. Soooo...I figured what the heck, they are singular items with components (like a first aid kit)...
My "Three" are:
Knife with Super Sheath
Fire Strike ferro-rod with tinder (in the bottom compartment) & 550 Cord wrap
My Super Canteen Pouch
My new Brian Johnson Survival knife into a sheath with accessory pouch (and a few subcomponent items).
Super Canteen Pouch...
I really don't know about "thriving" and it really depends on the season and location in WA (I grew up there, both East, West and Central...been all over that state).
Never new you could be busted for "cheating" in a survival situation
ROCK6
I didn't like the Crusader canteen/cup pouch, so I was going through all my gear (still am...getting my garage re-organzied after my year and a half vacation to Iraq is time-consuming)...and found a few accessory pouches. One fit the NATO canteen and both the plastic and stainless Crusader cup, plus a little outer webbing for accessory pouches. Soooo...I figured what the heck, they are singular items with components (like a first aid kit)...
My "Three" are:
Knife with Super Sheath
Fire Strike ferro-rod with tinder (in the bottom compartment) & 550 Cord wrap
My Super Canteen Pouch
My new Brian Johnson Survival knife into a sheath with accessory pouch (and a few subcomponent items).
Super Canteen Pouch...
I really don't know about "thriving" and it really depends on the season and location in WA (I grew up there, both East, West and Central...been all over that state).
Never new you could be busted for "cheating" in a survival situation
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I forgot to add that if I was dropped off in the colder months, I would most likely swap out my BJohnson with my Siegle Hoodlum II and piggy-back a smaller fixed blade. A large blade would definately speed up shelter construction and firewood gathering. A large blade is a little cumbersome on the waist belt, so a should strap would be my method of carrying it around.
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If no one came looking for me for a whole month, I'd be a little concerned the zombie hordes had arrived, and would likely extend my bush stay indefinitely.
I'd have with me:
1. Knife
2. Fire steel
3. fancy kitchen pot with a thick, heavy bottom. Would a lid be a fourth item? Maybe. dammit.
good thread.
I'd have with me:
1. Knife
2. Fire steel
3. fancy kitchen pot with a thick, heavy bottom. Would a lid be a fourth item? Maybe. dammit.
good thread.
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1) Small axe (something like the GB SFA)
--I could do just about everything I would with a knife, but it would take much less energy when building a nice sturdy shelter. As much as I'd like a knife, if I had to only have one, and "thrive", especially in Washington state, I think the axe would be much more usefull.
2) Metal Pot
-- Collecting water
-- Cooking
-- Making water safe to drink. If out for a month I'm more likely to set up base, and stay put, so I wouldn't need the ability to carry the water around, so in this case I think the pot would be more usefull than the canteen. Unless I could have a canteen and a metal cup.
3) Altoids tin PSK
-- Since it's allowed, I'll take it, since it will not only have a firesteel, but also, a striker, multiple types of tinder, some bandaids, motrin, wire for snaring, some fishing line, and a couple of hooks.
--I could do just about everything I would with a knife, but it would take much less energy when building a nice sturdy shelter. As much as I'd like a knife, if I had to only have one, and "thrive", especially in Washington state, I think the axe would be much more usefull.
2) Metal Pot
-- Collecting water
-- Cooking
-- Making water safe to drink. If out for a month I'm more likely to set up base, and stay put, so I wouldn't need the ability to carry the water around, so in this case I think the pot would be more usefull than the canteen. Unless I could have a canteen and a metal cup.
3) Altoids tin PSK
-- Since it's allowed, I'll take it, since it will not only have a firesteel, but also, a striker, multiple types of tinder, some bandaids, motrin, wire for snaring, some fishing line, and a couple of hooks.
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Rock6: Could you show us your "super canteen pouch" all put together, like how you would carry it? Is all that stuff incorporated into a canteen cover, or did you make your own canteen carrier that can hold that stuff too?
Just curious because I have plans of lengthening a U.S. GI canteen cover, so I can put a super PSK underneath the canteen and cup.
Just curious because I have plans of lengthening a U.S. GI canteen cover, so I can put a super PSK underneath the canteen and cup.
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Rock6 what is the little pry bar for...pink lighter 
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Good stuff so far, and don't worry, anything that is a given such as a knife pouch with add ons is okay.
The time of year was given, late fall in washington, and part of the deal was that you had to be on your own without rescue for a month. This is a situation that you have agreed to put yourself in thus the rescue part is out of the question. No one is going to come looking for you until your month has ended (30 days).
I'm just curious as to which three basic items pop up repeatedly to help you thrive for the duration of the time given.
So far we have these top items that I've read:
1. knife (kind of a given)
-food preperation
-skinning game
-create sparks with flint or firesteel
-filleting fish
-wood (if you put a big chopper)
2. Metal cup or pot
-boiling water
-making food
-holding or storing water
3. Firesteel (this seems to be the other #1 item popping up)
-creating fire
-mobility (fire where you need it)
4. Paracord (seems to have made a few appearances)
-tie things (duh)
-create fishing line
-create sewing thread
-help build up shelter
-possible tinder
Well, keep 'em coming, and we'll see what happens.
The time of year was given, late fall in washington, and part of the deal was that you had to be on your own without rescue for a month. This is a situation that you have agreed to put yourself in thus the rescue part is out of the question. No one is going to come looking for you until your month has ended (30 days).
I'm just curious as to which three basic items pop up repeatedly to help you thrive for the duration of the time given.
So far we have these top items that I've read:
1. knife (kind of a given)
-food preperation
-skinning game
-create sparks with flint or firesteel
-filleting fish
-wood (if you put a big chopper)
2. Metal cup or pot
-boiling water
-making food
-holding or storing water
3. Firesteel (this seems to be the other #1 item popping up)
-creating fire
-mobility (fire where you need it)
4. Paracord (seems to have made a few appearances)
-tie things (duh)
-create fishing line
-create sewing thread
-help build up shelter
-possible tinder
Well, keep 'em coming, and we'll see what happens.
Hello all, I would take my nalgene shoulder canteen pouch with another pouch that is attached to the shoulder strap. The canteen is a nalgene wide mouth bottle with 2 metal cups one on the top and one covers the bottom. Attached to the pouch is a pair of german made binos called the preaditer and on the other side of the pouch is a U-dig -it folding shovel. Attached to the back of the canteen is a Chris Reeves Projects II 7.5 inch blade with goodies in the handle and the knife pouch too. The pouch that is attached to the shoulder strap has a RAT-3 1095 steel, a Spyderco folding saw, Doug Ritter pocket survival pack, one small first aid kit from amk, one amk space blanket,one fine and course dmt diamond sharpener, one large fire steel, one titainuim spork, 2 bandanas, contianer of cotton and pj mixed,packet of salt,soup,drink flavored mixes and red pepper. One small led flash light,chapstick and head net. This shoulder pack with water to start out with and items in or attached to the pack weighs about 7.5 pounds If I put one of my Nessmuc double bits through a sewed loop I have on the pouch it self then the weight goes up couple of pounds.
The second item that I use and would use is a 10 by 10 foot canvas tarp.
The third item is a wool blanket that I bought at a camping store.
After being dropped off at the drop off site I would scout a round a little and get my bearings. Then I would look for a camping spot for the first night out. One that has a water source and dead wood for a heating and warning fire. Once that was found I would start to set up camp using my knife saw and possible double bit. My tarp would go up lean to style. Next a fire pit would be made using my U-dig-it shovel and rocks to line around it. Then to collect fire wood using my knife,saw axe. Once that was done then start the fire. Using my saw I would cut up a couple of 2 inch or so logs then take my large knife and set a log up on end and put knife edge on it and using another cut up log I would batton through the log making 2 halves then 4 halves and so on till I had small sticks to shave up fuzz sticks using my RAT-3 ( If you have never made fuzz sticks or feather sticks using a RAT-3 you are missing outthat little knife make them up soooo nicely I think ) once I had about 6 of these put them together and with the other split sticks make a teepee of them. Then I take a small stick from my other split sticks and wrap my cotton and pj mix around that stick at one end and set it down then grab fire steel and knife and strike a shower of sparks onto the cotton and pj mix and when it is lit I pic it up like a long match and set the flaming end into my fuzzstick pile and watch the flames spread up the wood to a nice heating and warming camp fire. This works every time rain or shine. Once the fire is going I take out a 7" copper tube with a couple feet of plastic tubing attached to one end. This little item is great for blowing on your fire from and not getting your face so close to it. I hate smoke in my eyes. Now that the fire is going good I would set a canteen cups with water next to my fire to warm up and get to boiling so I can refill my canteen up with safe drinking water. By now I think I would be getting low on water from drinking while I was setting up my camp for the night. While the water is heating I would cut up some pine boughs for me blanket to lye on and might even start on making a fire wall reflector for the back of my fire to through heat into the lean to for the night. When the water was ready to put into me canteen I would take one of my bandanas and get it wet from the stream or lake and wrap it a round my canteen and hang it from a branch so the water would cool down a lot faster than if I just set canteen down and let it cool down on its own. Once that was done re fill the metal cups up and get more water boiling.While that is going on I would get my fishing gear out and set up some night lines. Baiting them with what ever I was able to bait them with by looking under logs and breaking or chopping into dead logs. If there was enough light left I might make up a spear and fire harden the tip for protection and hunting. and to have a walking stick too.that would be a lot for the first day I think. If I was able to catch some fish before sundown that would be great to have dinner that first night. If not and I would have a soup packet from my kit to drink that first night anyways at least. The next morning check lines and start the water boiling all over agian. Then gather wood for the next several days aleast. looking for wood for your fire in the rain sucks. Once that was done then think about getting food bye using my binos I could look for areas that I might not be able to see with my eyes as well and at some distances. set up snares look for active trails and prints gather some edible plants along the way while doing this and checking in on my camp while water is boiling and refilling canteen. Fishing and snaring are some of the ways I would handle a situition like this. I know of a few plants and that always helps get the hunger down a bit.
Making a throughing sthick and a quicky bow and some arrows would likely take me out a month or so. Getting clean water is a time consuming and taking care of hygene and things like that are too.
This was a long post but I feel that most of us would have more than just 3 items with us fore going on a hike or being put in this sitution for fun or not.
Every year poeple die in our country becuase of not being prepared or they by Gods good grace survive there ordeal with nothing. I like to go to the woods not to rough it but smooth it like Nessmuc did.
So with those 3 items I think I would do allright.
Take care all,
Bryan
The second item that I use and would use is a 10 by 10 foot canvas tarp.
The third item is a wool blanket that I bought at a camping store.
After being dropped off at the drop off site I would scout a round a little and get my bearings. Then I would look for a camping spot for the first night out. One that has a water source and dead wood for a heating and warning fire. Once that was found I would start to set up camp using my knife saw and possible double bit. My tarp would go up lean to style. Next a fire pit would be made using my U-dig-it shovel and rocks to line around it. Then to collect fire wood using my knife,saw axe. Once that was done then start the fire. Using my saw I would cut up a couple of 2 inch or so logs then take my large knife and set a log up on end and put knife edge on it and using another cut up log I would batton through the log making 2 halves then 4 halves and so on till I had small sticks to shave up fuzz sticks using my RAT-3 ( If you have never made fuzz sticks or feather sticks using a RAT-3 you are missing outthat little knife make them up soooo nicely I think ) once I had about 6 of these put them together and with the other split sticks make a teepee of them. Then I take a small stick from my other split sticks and wrap my cotton and pj mix around that stick at one end and set it down then grab fire steel and knife and strike a shower of sparks onto the cotton and pj mix and when it is lit I pic it up like a long match and set the flaming end into my fuzzstick pile and watch the flames spread up the wood to a nice heating and warming camp fire. This works every time rain or shine. Once the fire is going I take out a 7" copper tube with a couple feet of plastic tubing attached to one end. This little item is great for blowing on your fire from and not getting your face so close to it. I hate smoke in my eyes. Now that the fire is going good I would set a canteen cups with water next to my fire to warm up and get to boiling so I can refill my canteen up with safe drinking water. By now I think I would be getting low on water from drinking while I was setting up my camp for the night. While the water is heating I would cut up some pine boughs for me blanket to lye on and might even start on making a fire wall reflector for the back of my fire to through heat into the lean to for the night. When the water was ready to put into me canteen I would take one of my bandanas and get it wet from the stream or lake and wrap it a round my canteen and hang it from a branch so the water would cool down a lot faster than if I just set canteen down and let it cool down on its own. Once that was done re fill the metal cups up and get more water boiling.While that is going on I would get my fishing gear out and set up some night lines. Baiting them with what ever I was able to bait them with by looking under logs and breaking or chopping into dead logs. If there was enough light left I might make up a spear and fire harden the tip for protection and hunting. and to have a walking stick too.that would be a lot for the first day I think. If I was able to catch some fish before sundown that would be great to have dinner that first night. If not and I would have a soup packet from my kit to drink that first night anyways at least. The next morning check lines and start the water boiling all over agian. Then gather wood for the next several days aleast. looking for wood for your fire in the rain sucks. Once that was done then think about getting food bye using my binos I could look for areas that I might not be able to see with my eyes as well and at some distances. set up snares look for active trails and prints gather some edible plants along the way while doing this and checking in on my camp while water is boiling and refilling canteen. Fishing and snaring are some of the ways I would handle a situition like this. I know of a few plants and that always helps get the hunger down a bit.
Making a throughing sthick and a quicky bow and some arrows would likely take me out a month or so. Getting clean water is a time consuming and taking care of hygene and things like that are too.
This was a long post but I feel that most of us would have more than just 3 items with us fore going on a hike or being put in this sitution for fun or not.
Every year poeple die in our country becuase of not being prepared or they by Gods good grace survive there ordeal with nothing. I like to go to the woods not to rough it but smooth it like Nessmuc did.
So with those 3 items I think I would do allright.
Take care all,
Bryan
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Three "things"? people are things aren't they?
1. Ray Mears 2.Les Stroud and 3.Bear Grylls
Ray Mears to "bushcraft" a comfortable camp site and find food, Les Stroud to film the adventure and play the theme music and Bear Grylls to do stupid dangerous things so i won't get bored.
lol!
YES! This had me lmao...thanks man
Top Three Choices...
Ranger RD7
Tarp
Dutch Oven
I would also try to sneak in my favorite book if no one was lookin!
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Sicily02: do you have a picture of your "nalgene shoulder canteen pouch" with all the attachments? Or better yet, a picture of you or someone wearing it? I'm just trying to picture it with all that stuff attached to it, but I can't. Seems like a lot of stuff.
Hello all, My wife said to ditch the blanket and take her instead. At least I would have a heat source from the bottom up any ways by lying on top of her. Also if there were racks or sticks in the ground I would not get poked in my sleep by them lol.
It is a thought to consider.
Bryan
It is a thought to consider.
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Not a good picture, but I just attached a should strap and wear it over my left hip area:
I must admit, this is only "experimental"...I've been trying different shoulder/canteen-water bottle pouch setups for awhile. I like the NATO canteen and crusader cup, but didn't like the pouch it came with.
texastonydobbs said:
Well, the little pry bar just fit
It's actually quite handy for small tasks where you don't want to jack up you knife blade. Kind of like the Atwood Prybaby, but no bottle opener. County Comm has a good deal on several small ones. Pink is pretty easy to see if you drop it. More importantly, if you're out trying to get a fire going with your ferro-rod and natural tinder it really prevents you from cheating because you don't want anybody to see you cheating with a "pink" lighter.
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Man. you guys just can't help jumping the hypo!
I think, given the restrictions, I would go with
- My RAT-7
- A Guyot stainless steel bottle. (Water carying and purification, cooking.)
- Firesteel. (If my RAT Pack kit was allowed, it would include a firesteel. If so, then I would replace this item with an 8X10 Tarp.).
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Not a good picture, but I just attached a should strap and wear it over my left hip area:
I must admit, this is only "experimental"...I've been trying different shoulder/canteen-water bottle pouch setups for awhile. I like the NATO canteen and crusader cup, but didn't like the pouch it came with.
Well, the little pry bar just fit
Pink is pretty easy to see if you drop it. More importantly, if you're out trying to get a fire going with your ferro-rod and natural tinder it really prevents you from cheating because you don't want anybody to see you cheating with a "pink" lighter.
ROCK6
Thanks....I like the little bar...i have a Orange bic & a mini bic blue in a kydex sheath..
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I would want:
Kukri -Chops nearly as well as an axe and comes with a small utility blade and sharpener
Nato Water Bottle -Durable Water bottle with a Stainless Steel cup for cooking
Large Wool Blanket -adds a nice comfort factor to your shelter
Kukri -Chops nearly as well as an axe and comes with a small utility blade and sharpener
Nato Water Bottle -Durable Water bottle with a Stainless Steel cup for cooking
Large Wool Blanket -adds a nice comfort factor to your shelter
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I submit there is not one person in 50,000 who could thrive for a month with only one of those items (or all 3 for that matter).
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Man. you guys just can't help jumping the hypo!
I think, given the restrictions, I would go with
-- FLIX
- My RAT-7
[*]A Guyot stainless steel bottle. (Water carying and purification, cooking.)- Firesteel. (If my RAT Pack kit was allowed, it would include a firesteel. If so, then I would replace this item with an 8X10 Tarp.).
Hey FLIX, how do you like that Guyot? What size do you have and do regular Nalgene-compatible nesting mugs still work with it?
Tiger Dude said:
I too agree that very few, even from these forums would "thrive" with minimal knowledge and equipment. Maybe "thrive" was the wrong word. I know for a fact that I would lose a lot of weight! If it was the wrong season (i.e. the Winter), it would truly be survival and I doubt that even I would make it a full month. I've only been through two "Army" survival schools, one actually in the Mt. Rainier National Forest (use to be the old Huckleberry Creek, Cold Weather Training Area; the other was a Jungle Survival school hosted by an Ecuadorian army unit we were working with in Ecuador). Cold weather sucks and it's not easy even with the skills and knowledge.
ROCK6