A knife with substance, or small, light, and complicated?

TheSurvivalist said:
Again, thanks for all the input, but I would really like to hear from some hardcore outdoorsmen. I'd like to hear the opinions of those who use big blades on a regular basis. Speak up, all ye sheath-wearing knife-nuts!

TheSurvivalist

Well, as I grew up in a hunting and fishing family, with some members of my clan being proffesional watermen on the Chesapeke Bay I saw plenty of my older male family members wearing sheath knives in the 1950's and 60's.

My maternal grandfather took me hunting with him when I turned 10. He and his cronies were bird hunting fanatics untill deer season came in. Then the shotgun got put away and the old Winchester 32special came out.

Grandad had two knives he used for everything, like I mentioned in my earlier post. His main hunting, bird and fish knife was a Case little finn with about a 3 1/2 inch blade.

Down on the bay my uncle had his own crabbing boat, and he would oyster in the winter. Being a practicle man he wore a 4 inch knife from Canada called a Russells, or his old Finish pukko with about a 4 inch blade.

My dad came home from the war (WW2) and he had a kabar in his duffle bag, but I never saw him use it. Aside from his stockman he used a leather handle little kabar hunter that looked like my graddads Case. Dad also had an old stag handle hunting knife that had a slim 4 1/2 inch blade from Germany that was made by Anton Wingon. Its hard to read its so darkend and faint on the blade. It is only a little bigger than his leather handle kabar.

My own knives have run the gammut from the heavy duty ones you mention to the present pocket knives. When I was younger I used to collect custom knives and one of my favorites was the Randall model 15. I wore it in my young bold days, and never used it for anything that could'nt be done better by something lighter. I ended up selling of all of them down at A.G. Russells knife lists. I don't miss it or any of those big ego items.

I've went back to using what dad and granddad used. Real using knives like stockman and 4 inch utilitarian knives. If my mora or sak won't handle it, then its time to use the small hatchet in my pack. I've seen three kids through boy scouts and went along on many a camp assisting the scout master and I just never needed the big sheath knife you talk about. Even in my tour in Viet Nam I never needed it. We were combat engineers and we built roads, bridges, buildings and such all over that country. Most of the guys carried a Buck folding hunter because the PX had them for about 12 dollars if I recall. Just about everyone had a Buck 110. Some of the combat guys would have the Buck special. I never saw a single Randall or other big knife the whole time I was there.I dn't know what the knife magazines are talking about.

For the last thirty years my main working knife has been a Buck Woodsman. It's been my trout and bird knife, my camping knife, whatever. It cuts well, is small, light and handy.

So there you have it. I'm 64 years old, have been a camper, hunter, fisherman, backpacker(in my younger day before arthritus) canoe and kayak camper, assistant to the assistant scoutmaster, and raised three good kids as campers and sportsmen.

My most usefull knife has been the Buck woodsman.

But then I grew up in the 20th century.

And as far as men being men and women being women, I like the change. My wife of almost 40 years is my wife, mother of my children, but also my best friend, lover, confidant, and equal partner. I would'nt have it anyother way!
 
My father always said:
"You can always spot the inexperienced greenhorns...they have the biggest knives".

With very few exceptions, I have found this to be true.

Still, you never need to justify why you want a certain knife here on the forums--we're all knife nuts!
I love my light-weight folders, I love my heavy-weight folders, I love my machetes, I love my axes, I love my autos, I love my Bali-songs, I love my neck-knives......it never ends...

Cheers,
Allen.
 
Don't get me wrong - I like small knives too. I have a Buck Stockman that goes everywhere with me. I just really love large blades for camp chores, bushwork, and survival. I love the weight of a long knife on my belt. I don't mind the weight of a large blade if it can perform multiple roles as a chopper, slicer, draw knife, and machette. Thats what they're used for. If I want to skin small game, I'll use a Buck 110, or my stockman, or my little Western hunter.

Additionally, one should remember this rule: A big knife can skin an animal, but a small knife can't split wood.
 
TheSurvivalist said:
I know Opinel has been around for a long while, but I'm talking about wanting a big, beastly, classic blade.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and speculate that what you really want is that uniquely American icon knife, the Bowie. The big, stout, heavy fighting knife that earned eternal fame on a sandbar near Natchez.

Here's my problem with that, though: you talk about a knife for utility, hunting and woodcraft, but the knife you describe isn't designed for those pursuits — it's designed for fighting; essentially a cross between a shortened naval boarding cutlass and a meat cleaver.

You diss the mora-style knifes as flimsy fruit knives, but if you look at the history of hunting and utility knives across the world, most resemble those light, simple knives a whole lot more than a Bowie knife.

Admittedly, that's partly economic: until fairly recently, steel has been very expensive, so knifemakers were frugal with it. But there's a practical side, too: a knife is primarily a cutting tool, and a thin blade cuts better than a thick one. As someone else pointed out, many more bird, deer and elk have been field dressed with "little knives" than big Bowies. And with the exception of splitting pelvises or jointing limbs, which are properly doen with a hatchet, a sharp but slim 3"-4" blade is more than enough for the job.

But what do I know, I'm a computer geek in suburban New Jersey. But what about those who really know what they're doing? Who really depend on a knife for basic survival?

From what I've read about the history of knife use around the world, the use of a heavy Bowie in woodcraft is a peculiarly 19th-21st century American conceit; the rest of the world, and even our own forefathers in the US, never saw the need for one. Ever heard of George Washington Sears, AKA Nessmuk? He was a writer who lived the life of an outdoorsman of the 19th century, but in the 20th. He had cheap steel available to him. Did he carry a big Bowie into the field? Heck no, he carried the best tools for the job: a small hatchet, a small but stout slipjoint, and a skinning knife with a blade probably thinner than the chef's knife in your kitchen. But no Bowie. Why do you suppose that is?

TheSurvivalist said:
I am not talking about average people. It is blatantly obvious that an average desk jockey, salesman, or factory worker doesn't need a fixed blade knife. I am talking about outdoorsman types. I am talking about people who use knives regularly.
So am I. See above.

TheSurvivalist said:
People have carried large belt knives throughout history. During the middle ages, large knives were often used for hunting, eating, and defense. In the American West, large knives were carried by hunters, trappers, and cowboys.
Sorry, but I think you're still confusing knives carried for self-defense with knives used for utility.

There are plenty of knives in museums, used in the ancient past by people for "hunting and eating", and they sure didn't look like what you describe. They tend to be noticeably smaller and easier to handle than a Bowie or Ka-Bar.

TheSurvivalist said:
Using a large knife appropriately, for a specific task, without intent to do harm to another, is not illegal.
Well, I can agree with that, at least!! ;)
 
TheSurvivalist said:
I just really love large blades for camp chores, bushwork, and survival. I love the weight of a long knife on my belt. I don't mind the weight of a large blade if it can perform multiple roles as a chopper, slicer, draw knife, and machette. Thats what they're used for. If I want to skin small game, I'll use a Buck 110, or my stockman, or my little Western hunter.

Sounds like you should check out the Himilayan Imports forum and pick yourself up a khukuri. Forget those puny 12" knives... a good 16" Chiruwa Ang Khola (warranty: break it and get 2 free ones) will go through firewood like butter, and a 16" WWII style is the perfect blade to strap on your hip for general chores. Of course, these are the babies of the khuk world, but you have to start somewhere. :)

Chris
 
TheSurvivalist:

I've had some wilderness survival training; it was taught by a group of retired Air Force Pararescuemen who had "been there, done that". Their take on knoves, in a wilderness context, is that any knife is better than no knife, but bigger is always better, so long as the knife is strong. They hated 2-piece, so-called "survival" knives. The head instructor and one other carried Cold Steel Trailmasters and the others carried Bucks. So I'm totally trackin' with ya on the desire for a large fixed blade in the wilderness!

For in-town, I'm still working on a fixed blade, too.
 
Lightweight and simple is for me. I'm a full time knife bearer and user and I appreciate the cheap looks of a FRN Spyderco with its quality steel :rolleyes:
 
TheSurvivalist said:
Again, thanks for all the input, but I would really like to hear from some hardcore outdoorsmen. I'd like to hear the opinions of those who use big blades on a regular basis. Speak up, all ye sheath-wearing knife-nuts!

TheSurvivalist

I think I'm pretty close to a "hardcore outdoorsman", I work as a hunting and wilderness guide (I do bow and knife hunting mainly), I have travelled through some of the highest mountains in South America and work as a SAR volunteer. I love fixed blades (I would carry one everyday if I could), but I tend to like my knives in the 4.5" to 5" range (sometimes smaller like my Bark River Mountaineer). I like full tangs with natural materials in the handle slabs (wood is my favourite), but I don't really like blades that are too big.

One of the guys in my SAR team has a very similar taste as you in knives, he likes 7" carbon steel blades and is very skilled with them, he got used to them because he used a Ka-Bar in the army.

Luckily there are enough quality knife makers out there to keep us all happy!
 
I'd carry a small, light fixed blade in preference to a folder, but is now, and always would have been out of place where I work (a medical school); the Calypso Jr., on the other hand, is simply not noticed and does everything I require of it. In the woods i carry a SAK, (sometimes) a folding saw, which together weigh a lot less than some of the "survival" knives that people post about here. In the winter I carry a snow shovel, a foam pad, and a tarp. A big ol' knife will suffice for some tasks that these tools could accomplish, but not as well and not without a weight penalty. All that said, I am *very* impressed by the extremely low weight and outstanding design of the Spyderco Perrin FB, and it's likely to find its way into my ourdoor kit in the coming year.
 
Big heavy knives have a place. I usually leave mine stuck in the stump I use to hold the firewood I split with it. If I get a nice piece of cherry in the stack I may use the knife to split out some handles. I like the back spine thick and the blade wide and I like it weighted so it throws nice. When I was working outside I would always carry a buck folder, in a boat a case rigging knife, anyplace I might need some tools a swiss army knife and or a leatherman.

Lately I have been traveling a lot and am really frustrated that I can't carry a knife on the plane or into any public building.

I have been thinking maybe it would be good to figure out how to make something that passes muster to carry but can be taken apart and reassembled when you get where you are going.
 
Whittet:

When you want to transport any personal possession (that may be suspect) by way of any commercial carrier, .....do not approach the gate with said item! Instead:

FedEx that product to the destination intended, prior to your departure!

Do not ever carry any item on board...anything that you want to carry to another destination (and also know that this item is prohibited on aircraft)....period!

Gryffin:

Wonderful response! Loved it!

TheSurvivalist:

Great thread that you have created!

But I have this sneaky suspicion that you are a bit more than just a.... "knife nut". here!

You've got this way with words that I think (as many others may also do) that goes way beyond knives.

You are a bit of a "Story Teller". Survivalist!

And that is great....for Blade Forums!
 
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