A lesson well learned

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Purchased a bodacious blade from Alan Davis a while back: flamed stabilized box elder--a heavy knife with thick blade and handle. I was in Walmart and it dropped out of its horizontal sheath in front of a bunch of people. I stooped down to pick it up and put it back in its sheath when several of the fellows who had witnessed the drop came over to admire the knife. To say I was relieved would be to make an understatement. The point to all this? Well, Tyr_Shadow and others on the forum have mentioned before that it's a good idea to carry a blade that doesn't shout Tactical or look especially lethal or have a name like The Exterminator. I see the point. The lesson is learned. I don't think I would have had a positive experience if I had dropped, say, a Civilian. Thanks to you experienced forum members who are willing to put "lessons" out there. I, for one, truly appreciate them.
Regards,
sweetwater
 
This is a lesson that is best kept in mind, and I'm glad somebody got it.

So many times, maybe once a week it seems that I see some post by somebody who is grousing about his knife being used in public and the people freaking out. I figure at least half of these times, the person flaunted a knife in a manor that drew attention to themselves as some sort of weird ego trip, the other times it was some kind of tactical knife that really has very little use in the real world of modern suburbia. But what makes me feel this is, so many times I myself have taken out a knife to cut something in public, and either got zero response, or sometimes a grateful response from the person who was struggling trying to open a box. A few times, I've even got positive response on how pretty a pocket knife was, or how their grandfather carried one just like it.

The manor you open the knife with, as well as the kind of knife it is, has a very great deal to do with the response you get. I've yet in all my years, had anyone react in a negative way to any pocket knife I used in public. Of course, all I use is traditional pocket knives. Perhaps T-S has a good point?

Carl.
 
Purchased a bodacious blade from Alan Davis a while back: flamed stabilized box elder--a heavy knife with thick blade and handle. I was in Walmart and it dropped out of its horizontal sheath in front of a bunch of people. I stooped down to pick it up and put it back in its sheath when several of the fellows who had witnessed the drop came over to admire the knife. To say I was relieved would be to make an understatement. The point to all this? Well, Tyr_Shadow and others on the forum have mentioned before that it's a good idea to carry a blade that doesn't shout Tactical or look especially lethal or have a name like The Exterminator. I see the point. The lesson is learned. I don't think I would have had a positive experience if I had dropped, say, a Civilian. Thanks to you experienced forum members who are willing to put "lessons" out there. I, for one, truly appreciate them.
Regards,
sweetwater
Are you saying that people shouldn't carry a Spyderco Civillian? Where's the logic or reason in that? You have no way of knowing how those people in Walmart would have reacted to a different knife because you didn't drop a different knife. Considering the popularity of "tactical" knives it's just as possible that those people would have thought that a "tactical" knife was really cool.

I just can't comprehend the idea of choosing a knife based on what others might think. Just recently a member here told a story about using a Spyderco Tenacious in public and a woman freaked-out, and that's a folder with a 3 3/8ths inch blade, and it looks nothing like a scary weapon. Over the ten plus years I've been on this forum I've seen stories of people freaking-out over swiss army knives and little folders hanging on peoples keychains.

Like I said, I just don't get other peoples thinking sometimes regarding what knives people should carry. Personally, I choose a knife based on what I like, what I need it for, what I can afford, and what my local laws will allow. What other people might think never figures into it.
 
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This is a lesson that is best kept in mind, and I'm glad somebody got it.

So many times, maybe once a week it seems that I see some post by somebody who is grousing about his knife being used in public and the people freaking out. I figure at least half of these times, the person flaunted a knife in a manor that drew attention to themselves as some sort of weird ego trip, the other times it was some kind of tactical knife that really has very little use in the real world of modern suburbia. But what makes me feel this is, so many times I myself have taken out a knife to cut something in public, and either got zero response, or sometimes a grateful response from the person who was struggling trying to open a box. A few times, I've even got positive response on how pretty a pocket knife was, or how their grandfather carried one just like it.

The manor you open the knife with, as well as the kind of knife it is, has a very great deal to do with the response you get. I've yet in all my years, had anyone react in a negative way to any pocket knife I used in public. Of course, all I use is traditional pocket knives. Perhaps T-S has a good point?

Carl.
Although "tactical" is a very generic term, my understanding is that a "tactical" folder has a sharpened blade that can be opened with one hand, why would such a knife be of "very little use in the real world"? I own a Spyderco Military, an Al Mar SERE 2000, and several other folders that could be described as "tactical", and the funny thing I've noticed is, they all perform the exact same cutting chores as my Buck 110, even in "modern suburbia".

Ones choice of knife does not dictate the reactions of others. It's peoples irrational fears that dictates their reactions. How else would you explain the fact that some people freak-out at the sight of a swiss army knife?

Man, I'm sure glad I don't choose my knives based on the irrational fears of total strangers. Heck, the simple truth is, the ONLY way to garuntee that you don't scare people with your knife is to not carry ANY knife at all. But where's the sense in that?
 
I do think that some knives look scarier than others to non-knife-users, and that tactical knives look scarier than traditional slipjoints. That being said, your knife doesn't guarantee the reaction you'll get. I've freaked people out by cutting an apple with a SAK. I'd say others' reactions depend on two things: how you use your knife, and how stupid or unthinking (same thing, really) they are. If you're twirling your knife around and trying to look all hard and badass with it, you're going to scare people, but if you're around a true idiot, he'd be scared if you pulled out anything but safety scissors.

I will say this, though. If you carry a beautiful knife, you can deflect a lot of criticism of it. It's hard to justify pointing and screaming when everyone else is crowding around a knife to admire it.
 
I live within the law (as much as possible), not within the imagined reactions of random people around me. People will react to your attitude and demeanor more readily than whatever gadget you happen to be using. Being polite, courteous, and friendly will go a long way to keep people's reactions reasonable, in my experience.
 
It doesn't hurt to know what the community standards are. In many cases, those will be our own standards -- we grow up with them. My father and grandfather always made sure we had pocket knives. Traditional, of course, in those days. My father admired the more tactical knives I showed him when I get addicted to them. :)

But you can't worry too much about other people's opinions. They are generally reacting to their own preconceptions. Just don't go out of your way to impress them with how dangerous you and your toys are!

Tactical. I got a folder from Mil-Tac. Elishewitz design, Fox manufacture, 4" recurved blade of N690Co, all black -- evil. But I like that knife. It is really well made, sharpens up like a razor, excellent ergonomics. I wouldn't carry it in New York City. :p
 
One of the reasons I usually carry a Vic Tourist in addition to whatever else I have is to try to be conscious of how people will react to a knife. Then again, in my area I tend to get more curiosity than fear when I use any of my knives and I have the great luxury of my work being absolutely fine with me carrying anything from my Tourist to a Spec Bump and anything in between.
 
Purchased a bodacious blade from Alan Davis a while back: flamed stabilized box elder--a heavy knife with thick blade and handle. I was in Walmart and it dropped out of its horizontal sheath in front of a bunch of people. I stooped down to pick it up and put it back in its sheath when several of the fellows who had witnessed the drop came over to admire the knife. To say I was relieved would be to make an understatement. The point to all this? Well, Tyr_Shadow and others on the forum have mentioned before that it's a good idea to carry a blade that doesn't shout Tactical or look especially lethal or have a name like The Exterminator. I see the point. The lesson is learned. I don't think I would have had a positive experience if I had dropped, say, a Civilian. Thanks to you experienced forum members who are willing to put "lessons" out there. I, for one, truly appreciate them.
Regards,
sweetwater

Awesome. There's so many stories about people losing their minds when they see folks carrying knives, it's nice to hear there are still some more rational people out there. :thumbup: Do you have any pics of the knife?

As to your comments, killgar: There's a difference between 'choosing your knives based on the irrational fears of total strangers' and 'demonstrating some common sense and discretion'. I'd say the best thing you can do to avoid people freaking out over you carrying a knife is to be discreet about carrying it - not flashing it at people, not waving it around and such - but at the same time, it doesn't hurt to leave the tactical folders or big fixed blades at home when you're out in public.

The majority of the knives I've owned have been pretty big one-hand opening 'tactical' style knives - that's chiefly what I like to own and use. Still, when I'm out in public (especially when I'm not working and don't need a big / heavy duty knife, or going to church or some kind of function) I generally carry something smaller and more discreet than my 'work knives' that won't freak people out and won't be misconstrued by police officers as a weapon (this might not be an issue where you folks live, but here, if a police officer doesn't believe you have a legitimate purpose for carrying a knife, he might suspect that you're intending to use it as a weapon, and then you'll be in trouble with the law - thus a SAK or other traditional knife is a lot easier to explain than a big, serrated assisted opener or whatever). For me, usually a SAK or slipjoint is all I carry on the weekends and evenings.

Anywho, that's where I come out on the subject. It's all well and good to carry big, mean looking blades everywhere all the time, but a) I don't need a big, mean blade when I'm just running errands or going out with friends, and b) it's not worth attracting unwanted attention (ie: people freaking out or police officers getting suspicious) if I do have to pull out my knife and cut stuff.
 
As to your comments, killgar: There's a difference between 'choosing your knives based on the irrational fears of total strangers' and 'demonstrating some common sense and discretion'. I'd say the best thing you can do to avoid people freaking out over you carrying a knife is to be discreet about carrying it - not flashing it at people, not waving it around and such - but at the same time, it doesn't hurt to leave the tactical folders or big fixed blades at home when you're out in public.
If a person carries a "tactical" folder in public, are they not "demonstrating common sense and discretion"? Are people who carry a Spyderco Military in public being senseless and indiscreet?

How about a Buck 110? I'm sure there are a lot of people who would be scared at the sight of a 110, does that mean people who carry a 110 in public are not "demonstrating common sense and discretion"?

How about swiss army knives? If people freak-out over a swiss army knife does that mean the person carrying it wasn't "demonstrating common sense and discretion"? In post #5 MacCairnie said that people have freaked out after he used a swiss army knife to cut an apple, was he showing a lack of "common sense and discretion"?

When you try to define "common sense" based on the irrational fears and reactions of others, what you wind up with is nothing resembling common sense. Trying to appease the irrational fears of others is not common sense at all. How can you define "common sense and discretion" regarding the carrying of knives when there are a lot of people who would be scared at the sight of ANY knife.

Obviously people should act responsibly with their knives in public (in private too as far as I'm concerned), but people don't have to act irresponsibly with a knife in order for other people to be scared (like cutting an apple). Many people will be scared at the mere sight of a person with a knife, ANY knife, and many on this forum have related such stories over the years. Many have even told stories of family members and co-workers who freaked-out when they saw them pull out a knife to innocently cut something, and they were scared despite the fact that they knew the guy wasn't dangerous. That's the nature of irrational fears, they are IRRATIONAL. And irrational fears are not subject to "common sense and discretion". After all, if such people were thinking with "common sense" they wouldn't be afraid of something as simple as a knife to begin with.

Don't get me wrong, I have my own personal opinions regarding what I think is appropriate to carry in public, but those are just my personal opinions, and I don't presume to declare my opinions to be "common sense". I would never presume to tell other people what knives they should or should not carry. I say to each their own, but personally, I don't choose my knives based on what other people might find scary. If I did, I wouldn't be able to carry ANY knife.
 
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I am just as careful with my knife in public as I am with my concealed Glock. It stays hidden unless I purposely take it out.
 
psssh, who cares about the reaction of the people! IS THE KNIFE OK?:D just kidding.Fix the sheath, that could be dangerous.
 
Don't get me wrong, I have my own personal opinions regarding what I think is appropriate to carry in public, but those are just my personal opinions, and I don't presume to declare my opinions to be "common sense". I would never presume to tell other people what knives they should or should not carry. I say to each their own, but personally, I don't choose my knives based on what other people might find scary. If I did, I wouldn't be able to carry ANY knife.

You seem to be getting a little hot under the collar over this, and I'm not sure why. This is kind of a pleasant thread so far, and it'd be a bit of a shame if a pissing match spoiled that.

I'm not saying that, because I'm of the opinion that carrying and using a scary looking knife in public tends to elicit bad reactions from people, common sense therefore dictates that you shouldn't carry said style of knife, although I do see where you might have got that from.

Like I said right there in my post, "this might not be an issue where you folks live, but here, if a police officer doesn't believe you have a legitimate purpose for carrying a knife, he might suspect that you're intending to use it as a weapon, and then you'll be in trouble with the law - thus a SAK or other traditional knife is a lot easier to explain than a big, serrated assisted opener or whatever". It's much easier to convince someone that something common and benign like an SAK is a tool instead of a weapon than say, A Spyderco Civilian, to use OP's example. A Civilian is a lot more likely to be considered a weapon by an officer of the law (hell, even the manufacturer explicitly states that it's not made with utility in mind - it was designed to be a weapon through and through). Carrying concealed weapons of any kind is illegal where I live (once again, might or might not be an issue for some of you folks).

Where I live, carrying and using a giant tactical knife in public when you don't have an explicit need for one can get you arrested if you're unlucky. What I'm saying is that, Objectively speaking, common sense dictates that you not do things that could get you arrested. Does 'not getting arrested' seem to you like a reasonable thing to attribute to common sense?
 
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You seem to be getting a little hot under the collar over this, and I'm not sure why. This is kind of a pleasant thread so far, and it'd be a bit of a shame if a pissing match spoiled that.
No pissing match here. This is a discussion forum, and that's exactly what I'm doing- discussing the topic at hand. Personally, I don't consider a difference of opinion to be a "pissing match", I consider it to be a spirited discussion :D. And if you will remember, you directed your comments at me in your post, so naturally I'm inclined to respond.

I'm not saying that, because I'm of the opinion that carrying and using a scary looking knife in public tends to elicit bad reactions from people, common sense therefore dictates that you shouldn't carry said style of knife, although I do see where you might have got that from.
Perhaps I read you wrong, this is the internet after all, it happens. I always bristle when it appears that people here are judging others based on their personal choice of knives. Sorry for any confusion on my part.

One of my main points is, it's impossible to predict what type of knives other people will be scared of. Many people couldn't care less if you pull out a huge, black, "tactical" folder in public, and some people will freak-out at the sight of a swiss army knife. So I say, what's the point of trying to base ones choice of knife on how other people might react.

Of course, how other people choose their knives is of no concern to me. I personally don't choose my knives based on my ability to predict how others will react. Personal tastes, personal needs, my knowledge of local cops, and the law, those are the criteria I use in my decision making process. But that's me. Like I said, to each their own.

Like I said right there in my post, "this might not be an issue where you folks live, but here, if a police officer doesn't believe you have a legitimate purpose for carrying a knife, he might suspect that you're intending to use it as a weapon, and then you'll be in trouble with the law - thus a SAK or other traditional knife is a lot easier to explain than a big, serrated assisted opener or whatever". It's much easier to convince someone that something common and benign like an SAK is a tool instead of a weapon than say, A Spyderco Civilian, to use OP's example. A Civilian is a lot more likely to be considered a weapon by an officer of the law (hell, even the manufacturer explicitly states that it's not made with utility in mind - it was designed to be a weapon through and through). Carrying concealed weapons of any kind is illegal where I live (once again, might or might not be an issue for some of you folks).

Where I live, carrying and using a giant tactical knife in public when you don't have an explicit need for one can get you arrested if you're unlucky. What I'm saying is that, Objectively speaking, common sense dictates that you not do things that could get you arrested. Does 'not getting arrested' seem to you like a reasonable thing to attribute to common sense?
Naturally one should always consider their local laws when deciding what knives they carry, and I advise people do so all the time on this forum. And naturally peoples experiences will vary regarding interactions with cops. And if you know or believe that the cops in your area will react negatively to a particular type of knife then it makes perfect sense not to carry that type of knife. But not everyone lives under the same laws. And not all cops are the same. So for those of us who live with highly permissive knife laws and cops who couldn't care less about our legal knives, there's absolutely no reason why we need to consider such factors when choosing our knives.

Clearly you face greater knife restrictions where you live than I do. And it makes perfect sense to me that you would base your choice of knives, in part, on such factors. I do the same. I'm just lucky that the laws where I live are less restrictive and the cops don't bother people who are legally carrying knives of any kind. So I carry whatever I want.
 
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That's why I try to just carry a penny knife around with me most of the time. Opinel brand, with "Vibralock saftey ring" removed. No method of locking, can't possibly be seen as a weapon.

Cops around my area usually don't know the law very well. I asked a friend's father who's a local officer about the laws on pocket knives and his response was " I don't really know but usually don't mess with people as long as they're not pulling it out flashing it around."

Sounds reasonable, but scary that I may run across some jerk cop, there's ALWAYS a few, who wants to give me a hard time about it.

Fixed blades are a different story, if it's visible you can carry it, same as a gun. There are no gun permit laws here except for concealed carry.

Still, that worries me locally too. I have no qualms about having a KaBar strapped to my hip after a doing a little bit of work around a State Trooper, but I fear that a Local Officer may give me some crap about it and I'll end up with it confiscated or arrested until they realize that I can't be charged with anything..
 
It's surprising how unfamiliar people are with knives.. People are just scared of what they don't know.
I think a lot of people can appreciate a good tactical design, especially cops.. It's just that cops are so damn busy they really dont have a lot of time to chat. That's why I just Wave my Emerson open and show them as fast as possible.. Haha jk

Seriously tho, immersion therapy. Loud and proud! :)
 
Are you saying that people shouldn't carry a Spyderco Civillian? Where's the logic or reason in that? You have no way of knowing how those people in Walmart would have reacted to a different knife because you didn't drop a different knife. Considering the popularity of "tactical" knives it's just as possible that those people would have thought that a "tactical" knife was really cool.

I just can't comprehend the idea of choosing a knife based on what others might think. Just recently a member here told a story about using a Spyderco Tenacious in public and a woman freaked-out, and that's a folder with a 3 3/8ths inch blade, and it looks nothing like a scary weapon. Over the ten plus years I've been on this forum I've seen stories of people freaking-out over swiss army knives and little folders hanging on peoples keychains.

Like I said, I just don't get other peoples thinking sometimes regarding what knives people should carry. Personally, I choose a knife based on what I like, what I need it for, what I can afford, and what my local laws will allow. What other people might think never figures into it.

Honesty test. Have you ever selected clothing or a hair style because of what others would think?

Entire (very profitable) industries are built on a perceived answer to that question.
 
Those people must give a wide berth to the cooking section where the 10" knives are, and they should probably avoid the sporting goods counter if a 110 scares them. I would not let my .44 vaquero show itself in Walmart, but I would have no problem picking at my teeth with a Mora while waiting in line.
 
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