A letter to cliff-Stamp the Spyderco fan about Sebenza.

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A letter to cliff-Stamp the Spyderco fan about Sebenza.


I have been to your web page cliff. I have respect for your knowledge. Apparently, You are into testing and the cutting ability of knives and nothing beyond that.

Someone has to say it.

Do you have a contract with Spyderco?
Do they send you a lot of free knives and you feel obliged to promote their knives?
Do you have a drink with Sal every now and again?

You take every opportunity to diss Sebenza, Striders and pretty much everything but Spyderco.

Sebenza is a small business. It is someone’s livelihood. It is not a corporate or a football team.


I can understand this from a spyderco fanatic but not from some one posing as an objective unbiased knife expert.

Have some respect for a knife that is a cult, that has thousands of fans and is considered by many to be the best.


You are harming no one but your integrity as a self styled knife guru.

Sebenza, Dont hate it because it is beautifull.
 
Hmmm, normally he's accused of being on Jerry Busse's payroll.

I wonder if Jerry knows he's double-dipping? ;) :D
 
Sebenza is a small business
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actually it is a model of knife, (I think ;) )

You are harming no one but your integrity as a self styled knife guru.
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It seems he has harmed you, or at least your feelings.

Could you give me a link to the "Cliff" Website? Thanks :)
 
Actually I think Cliff is against frame locks and liner locks because of their inherent torquing issues and the knives you mentioned are examples of such. He's for better locking mechanisms that don't dis engage from what I can tell and I don't think that's a bad thing.

More power to ya Cliff,


oil
 
I thought Jerry was Cliff...or Cliff was Jerry :rolleyes:

I think Cliff stands on his own two feet so anything I say to defend him is probably useless. Some people become threatened by Cliffs observations and conclusions because it doesn't always agree with their view. Cliff never claims to be a guru. He simply does tests and posts the results. Naturally he has his preferences(biases if you must), but just because Cliff doesn't 'approve', doesn't mean it's a bad knife and that you shouldn't buy it.

Keep up the good work Cliff!
 
Cliff and I have gone round and round on a couple of issues but overall I think he functions with a high regard for integrity. He cares about what he does and he serves a purpose even if he does stir things up every now and then. While I disagree with him on occassion I fail to see why anyone would say he is going to suffer from losing credibility when he says something about a particular knife and more specifically something about a particular lock vs another. Cliff has proven to more than one reader that the lock back is just stronger over a frame lock and basically proven it by his simple torque testing technique. No frame lock or liner lock is going to compare in strength to a lock back folder based on what I've read and seen. Some are better than others and I think he chooses the good ones like the Sebenza on purpose just to prove his point.

If Chris Reeve offered a lock back I'm sure it would get a better review than the frame lock Cliff has used as a reference in some of his testing. Perhaps the only reason that the CR Sebenza is used as a common reference by Cliff is due to it's popularity and the fact that it is regarded as one of the best of the best and not so much because Cliff is just trying to cut them down but instead simply trying to use something as a common reference tool to compare to. He is no less sympathetic to the Striders than he is to the Sebenzas and for that matter he is not all too sympathetic to the Spyderco liner locks either. It is more the type of lock he is referring to than any brand name I think.

But there have been some lock backs that he wasn't too kind with that didn't hold up as I recall.

I think it is pretty much common knowledge that Cliff prefers a lock back in his folders based on his own studies of how they hold up better. After reading his reviews I'd trust the Spyderco Chinook over the Sebenza frame lock or a comparable Strider any day of the week.

IMO. Sal should be personally insulted by the accusation that he is playing favorites to get better 'ratings' or even feel the need to. His products speak for themselves and don't need a Cliff Stamp or anyone else to prove their worth.
 
I do not even see why someone would make this thread. You have to know when creating it that there is no good that can come from it. Just some guy crying because some other guy does not agree with him. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I do not think there is any main brand that has not taken some flak from Cliff, including Spyderco. I think Cliff is more against Liner Locks and Frame Locks than any one brand. He also has enough knowledge to back up his reasons for distrusting Liner and Frame Locks.
 
From what I see, everyone is answering for cliff but cliff.
I am interested in hearing what he has to say.

As I said before, I am not questioning his technical knowledge. I am questioning his vision of knives and why people might like them for different reasons.

When he gives his answers to new members and visitors who know nothing about knives, he goes out of his way to underrate Sebenza. He does not give the full story about locks and grind. He just slags off Sebenza.

I don’t think that this is fare play and I don’t think that this is objective criticism.

This is arrogance that got out of hand in the form of displaying animosity to a great brand and a great maker just to say I am good, I know better and I am not afraid of being different.

My regards.
 
That's not what I'm saying although I like your train of thought. What I am saying is perhaps you should quote something directly from Cliff instead of telling everyone your interpretation of what you've read. And then ask your question as it relates to the direct quote from him. Otherwise you are trying to ask why his opinion is not valid, which it is.

my .02

oil

ps. Andrew beat me typing
 
If someone loans me a sebenza and a larger spyderco, like a chinook, manix or military, I'll test them out side by side and post a review here. and I'll return the knives. :)
 
Well if you just wanted an answer from Cliff why didn't you just e-mail him. Probably the best way to get in contact with him. allthough posting a arguementive thread is alot more fun I'll give you that. :)
 
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