A letter to cliff-Stamp the Spyderco fan about Sebenza.

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Sebenza4ever said:
A letter to cliff-Stamp the Spyderco fan about Sebenza.


I have been to your web page cliff. I have respect for your knowledge. Apparently, You are into testing and the cutting ability of knives and nothing beyond that.

Someone has to say it.

Do you have a contract with Spyderco?
Do they send you a lot of free knives and you feel obliged to promote their knives?
Do you have a drink with Sal every now and again?

You take every opportunity to diss Sebenza, Striders and pretty much everything but Spyderco.

Sebenza is a small business. It is someone’s livelihood. It is not a corporate or a football team.


I can understand this from a spyderco fanatic but not from some one posing as an objective unbiased knife expert.

Have some respect for a knife that is a cult, that has thousands of fans and is considered by many to be the best.


You are harming no one but your integrity as a self styled knife guru.

Sebenza, Dont hate it because it is beautifull.

Sebenza4ever said:
From what I see, everyone is answering for cliff but cliff.
I am interested in hearing what he has to say.

As I said before, I am not questioning his technical knowledge. I am questioning his vision of knives and why people might like them for different reasons.

When he gives his answers to new members and visitors who know nothing about knives, he goes out of his way to underrate Sebenza. He does not give the full story about locks and grind. He just slags off Sebenza.

I don’t think that this is fare play and I don’t think that this is objective criticism.

This is arrogance that got out of hand in the form of displaying animosity to a great brand and a great maker just to say I am good, I know better and I am not afraid of being different.

My regards.

I'm fairly new to the forums, but not to knives, and I've asked Cliff several questions pertaining to knives. Guess what, Sebenza4ever, not once has he replied with "Don't get a Sebenza" or "Sebenzas suck", so I think you're coming from out in left field with some of your comments! :rolleyes:

I enjoy Cliff's reviews and I have tremendous respect for what he does. Just the same, that doesn't mean I'm going to get rid of my Sebenza. Anybody who would get rid of (or not buy) a knife that they really liked (for whatever reason), because one person on the internet claimed it was inferior, needs help in the confidence department. You've gotta do some research on your own, too.

What Cliff does is provide some education for people who want to make an informed decision and who want to know what types of knives can stand up to certain tasks. What you do with that knowledge is entirely up to you and you alone.

Its funny that you mentioned Spyderco, because Sal Glesser, Spyderco's founder and President, has nothing but tremendous respect for Chris Reeve and the Sebenza. Sal has, on several occasions, said wonderful things about CRK and Chris' dedication and innovation, and he's mentioned the Sebenza in particular as a pinacle in production knifemaking. So, if I were you, I wouldn't cast a Spyderco vs. CRK light to your argument.

BTW, Sebenza4ever, you might think about just ignoring Cliff's comments, if they don't suit you. Otherwise, you could always use your Sebenza to cut some cheese to go with your whine. :D

Cheers (or in your case, cheese),
3Guardsmen
 
Maybe Cliff feels Spyderco offers a knife that will function just as well as a Sebenza, but for a lot less money. Maybe he's not interested in how well a knife is finished or how it looks. He's just looking at how will it will function and how solid it is. He may feel many knives are just as solid, or more solid, than a Sebenza and perform as well or better, but for a 1/3 or 1/4 of the price.
 
3Guardsmen,

Actually, you never asked a question or posted a topic except about Spyderco manix if you know what I mean.
 
Satrang said:
I love it. People are critizing a critizism of a critic. That's so strange it doesn't even roll off the tongue.

Am I the only one seeing the irony of a user called Sebenza4ever accusing another user of bias? :D
 
His reviews are more than enough.
He reviewed almost every Spyderco knife.

What is a great expert like him doing with replies to new members that focus only on Sebenza.
 
Sebenza4ever said:
3Guardsmen,

Actually, you never asked a question or posted a topic except about Spyderco manix if you know what I mean.

I take it you've read all my 63 posts then, right? Do you have access to my email and PM's, too? :rolleyes:

Cheese,
3Guardsmen
 
Nordic Viking


That is the whole point, I am a sebenza fan that feels that this person is either seeking fame by bad mouthing the sebe or has an agenda against sebenza.
 
Nordic Viking said:
Am I the only one seeing the irony of a user called Sebenza4ever accusing another user of bias? :D

LOL. Is Cliff's other screen-name "SebenzaH8r"? :D
 
This thread has turned into a waste.

I hope it's either moved to Whine & Cheese or it's closed.

The original message should have just been emailed to Cliff.
 
Pete1977 said:
If someone loans me a sebenza and a larger spyderco, like a chinook, manix or military...

I've got two of the three models in front of me as I type, one (Seb) off our own Passaround Forum and a couple of Militaries that are my own. I've also owned a Manix.

I'm pretty sure there's a couple of passarounds covering these available now. If not, just stay tuned!

Great country America! :D


Now I see Dave got here first. :footinmou
 
Why should I email him?

He writes in the forum in public and I ask him in public So that we all know the score when Cliff writes about how awful Senbenza is next time.
 
Sebenza4ever said:
Why should I email him?

He writes in the forum in public and I ask him in public So that we all know the score when Cliff writes about how awful Senbenza is next time.

If Cliff doesn't like the Sebenza that's his right. I don't see why you feel the need to start a negative topic about him and accuse him of this and that. How old are you? 12?
 
Sebenza4ever said:
Why should I email him?

He writes in the forum in public and I ask him in public So that we all know the score when Cliff writes about how awful Senbenza is next time.


Troll says what?

oil
 
Sebenza4ever said:
Why should I email him?

He writes in the forum in public and I ask him in public So that we all know the score ....

Cool, so you're challenging him to a duel?
 
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