A Little Story about Fire and Shelter...

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The second to last weekend in November I took a little trip into the mountains (don't worry, pics are coming as soon as my high-speed 'net connection is back up and running...how do you guys with dial-up do it?!). I learned something new on that trip that answered a question posed here, and on another forum I'm a member of, some time ago. The question was: "Shelter or Fire?"

We must have gone on for pages about technicalities: reflectivity, microclimates, etc... this weekend I answered the question (at least for ME--not that I didn't have an answer for myself to begin with).

I started out that morning around 0830 EST. It was cold, frosty and there was ice in some places. I hiked for better than 4 hours before I got far enough away that I couldn't hear traffic. All told my hike was almost 4 miles of inclines, climbing, tree-to-tree negotiation, in-and-out of gulleys, and 15 degree inclines with a few flats in between.

I won't bore you with the details of water, etc...I'll save that for the pictures.

My spot ended up being a Western facing slope that had been in the sun all morning, with a patch of pines (which means it was a pretty good elevation. Pines don't grow low here, unless somebody plants them). When I got there (another hour of hiking, as I had to horseshoe my course, doubling back a ridge above the way I'd come). When I got to the place I had picked, legs burning from the terrain, I was happy to see all the possible places to sleep. Lots of big, flat rocks to kick heat back at me at night. Little covies (that might or might not be full of copperheads gone to nest for the year). It was home for a day or so. It was also a LOT warmer than the valley, where the water was. I hung a small thermometer, compass, whistle, magnifying glass keychain thing just to see the temps: It got up to 60 degrees on the ridge I was on. In the valley you could still see your breath and needed a sweater.

After putting up my a-frame (more on that from the pictures) and filling it with leaves and debris and leaf-filled garbage bags I set about making a place for a reflector/cooking fire.

Remember, it's fall, so the ground was absolutely covered with dry leaves. It took me another hour just to clear enough leaves away from the area and drop the fire hazard.

I finished and watched as the sun went down, listening to a hoot owl across the mountain.

Just before dark I lit my fire. A small fire. A controllable fire, easily extinguished with what water I had with me. But, thanks to the big rocks, it threw back plenty of heat. I felt safe, I had planned on making myself some hot Pine needle tea for later when it got really cold.

Ten minutes after I started that fire, God thought it would be funny to kick the wind up. The wind caused sparks to fly out of my fire heavily. So guess what I had to do...put it out. I killed my friend, like Big R says.

I didn't feel very safe anymore. No easy warmth, no firelight to keep the Boogies at bay. No hot Pine Needle tea while listening to the owls hoot. I was alone. It was dark. And it started getting cold...QUICK.

So I crawled into my a-frame. Huddled under an emergency blanket on my garbage bags full of leaves, lying atop my mountain of debris. It didn't take long to get warm and cozy. I fell asleep a few minutes later...and awoke to the sounds of three does blowing a few feet from Casa de Lynyrd.

The lesson I learned that night was a big one about the rule of threes. Three hours without shelter. That night the temps dropped to 45 on the ridge and probably about 30 or 35 in the valley. Plenty enough to kill a man if he doesn't know what he's doing.

If I'd have foregone shelter for just a fire, I might not be here right now.

So the next time you go out woodsbumming and think: "Tonight I'll just use a fire. I don't need a shelter." Rethink your plan. Fire isn't shelter. Fire is fire. You never know what might happen to cause you to have to put that fire out. And what started as a "fun one-nighter", turns into a bad situation; and, as we all know, it doesn't take long for a bad situation to turn into a total shitstorm.
 
Excellent trip report! I look forward to the pictures.

Interesting take on the shelter vs. fire. For most situations, I agree with you. Especially when I'm "stealth camping" where I'm not really supposed to be, a fire is especially unwelcome. Things like a Dakota fire pit or a hobo stove could help solve your problem, but that's more weight to carry (either a shovel or the stove).

One reason I sometimes like to bring along my small alcohol stove is it's nice to have a practically light and odor free fire. Most of my outings I don't bother cooking anything, though. Too much trouble.
 
Let me start by saying that you are a true testament to the spirit of the W&SS.

I have always promoted awareness above all other skills... Be conscious of yourself and your suroundings.

-You knew the valley was cold and would only get colder at night.
-You recognized a good spot to bed down on an elevation. (though I'm not sure how a western facing slope would have had Sun all morning?... lol.)

Bottom line.... your awareness probably saved your whole trip.

One thing that separates the men from the boys is the ability to create options. Not only did you build a shelter, debris bed, fire and reflector.... but you had sense enough to make your shealter independent of a fire (garbage bags, YES!). So often I see a lean-to being made specifically to work inconjuction with a fire. What if you can't have a fire? You ran into that problem and were able to take it in stride because you had options.

Shelter, Fire, Water, Food.... Don't try and come up with a "one plan fits all" theory. Let the situation dictate the order and carry out each task to completion... where it can stand on its own.

Last Winter, 3 of us headed into the Northern Ontario Wilderness for a 6 day training session. We left at 330pm (on purpose) and hiked for 2hrs untill we found a spot. we had 1hr to Sunset. The temperature was -25C and dropping. We knew that a shelter was top priority.... but instead we built a huge fire. Could you imagine trying to build a shelter in 3-4 feet of snow at temperatures that dropped to -45C? We needed somewhere to fall back when we got tired, cold and dehydrated. That fire warmed our frozen hands and kept a steady flow of spruce and hawthorn tea in our bellies as we worked through the night. We probably would have given up and just huddled in a snowbank without a fire. As it were, we made a tarp tipi which served as our safe-site for the entire week. We didn't have to go back and redo "this" or fortify "that", because we made it right the first time. If our tipi had failed that night... we could retreat to the firepit once more.... OPTIONS!

Great post, Kem.

Rick
 
Right one Rick. What surroundings you are in, will dictate what you needs
( shelter, fire, etc.) you will do first.
KemSAT Survival, neat story. to bad about the fire having to be put out. A Camp with out a fire is just not any fun.

Siguy brought up a point about having a little stove that is smoke free.
Good point Siguy.

Bryan
 
You recognized a good spot to bed down on an elevation. (though I'm not sure how a western facing slope would have had Sun all morning?... lol.)

Rick

Your guess is as good as mine, brother. It puzzled the snot out of me too. Our mountains here are all around, so I guess it was situated that, no matter how the sun came out it hit right on it and stayed there. I thought it was East facing when I looked at it from below, But one I got to the ridgeline I wanted to be on, I checked it and my jaw hit the ground when the little red arrow pointed the "wrong" way.

I checked it with a compass. I don't know if maybe my knife was throwing it off or what. Unless there was an ungodly amount of iron ore in that mountain, I'm clueless about how a westward face caught sun all day. I was pretty high up too, so it would have gotten most, if not all the sun once the sun was in the 11 am onward position...where everything is at it's warmest. So I may be mistaken that it was getting sun all morning. I was pretty low in the valley for a long time.

The valley never even got sun, and started to get dark at a little after 4 pm.
 
How heavy of trash bags did you use? Do they work well? Do you tie them and poke air escape vents in them?
 
db>>

Heavy Duty yard bags from Wal-Mart. They work great. Nope, just fill 1/2 or 3/4 of the way up with leaves and tie a loose knot. It lets excess air escape, but keeps enough in to make dead air space between you and the leaves. The leaves act as a reflector/insulator for your body heat, and as the plastic warms, so does the air inside the bag. The big pile of naked leaves under me and the bags serves to get me up off the ground. Used in conjunction with the bags it like lying on a pillowtop mattress. You'd be surprised how soft it is. Beats an air mattress all to hell.

You can fill them and use them as blankets, too. Just don't pull them up over your face.

I generally carry two or three with me in any of my kits/packs (except the Altoids kit).

I've thinking about getting a couple of those blaze orange contractor bags off my dad. They're as thick as a tube tent...and just about as big.
 
AAAAAND HERE ARE THE PEECHERS!!!

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The shelter I built. That's 4 mil plastic sheeting placed over top of the frame and covered with leaves. Left it hanging off the front to make a flap. Works like a charm EVERYTIME.

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AquaMira, my favorite treatment system.

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Getting water from an old mine that feeds a stream.

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My knife "Sweet Lucille". BK9.

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Knifeporn moneyshot.

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From down in the valley. Waaay up in the left hand corner is somewhere near where I was.

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From my bivvy.

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Sunset. Right before it I started my fire, ten minutes after it I had to put it out!

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Stream that was fed by the mine. This is before I filled up with water.


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Sweet Lucille and Fido, my Ruger P89 Special Edition 9mm.
 
I always enjoy reading your posts.

I was car camping last January and the temp dropped to about 45-50 at night and I was freezing in my tent/pad/sleeping bag/cho-liner. I donned my boots and cho-liner and went over to the fire ring. I threw a few logs on and sat in my chair and went to sleep. I was warm with just the right amount of cool breeze; it was good sleep.
 
wulf>>

Much appreciated! Though I'm not sure I ever type anything of substance between the witty one liners and goofy random thoughts!

I figured it can't do nothing but help for folks to see that I practice what I preach and have a purty good time doin' it! :D
 
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good post and pics
do you have a shot on how you carry "lucille" with the shoulder harness you have rigged?
I am interested in duplicating as I find the sheath too cumbersome when hiking around.
thanks
 
Brad>>

Most of the time I carry it on a baldric made of doubled, then ladder laced para cord.

What you do is:

Pull you out about 20 or so feet of para cord. Then you double that back on itself, which makes it only half as long. Start from the end that forms the loop and ladder lace the doubled cord. Just fix it so that it won't come unravelled when you're finished.

Leave enough at the end that looks like shoestrings so that you can tie them.

Once you're finished slip the loop end through the belt loop on your sheath. The shoestrings end is for tieing in the loop end.

Sling it over your shoulder and go.

I carry Miss Lucille another way if I'm only carrying the knife and a water bottle on a short hike. But that involves a trick I've rigged up using a piece I took off of a Ka-Bar knock off.
 
Good Stuff Kemsat. great pics. yours and ricks thoughts show without a doubt that one must "think". Thinking out the problems before they occur. those that stop thinking (panic) most often have to be found by the SARs guys and stink and are hard to identify when they are found. good job man. kudos. anrkst
 
Good Stuff Kemsat. great pics. yours and ricks thoughts show without a doubt that one must "think". Thinking out the problems before they occur. those that stop thinking (panic) most often have to be found by the SARs guys and stink and are hard to identify when they are found. good job man. kudos. anrkst

Living in the wild, survival, bushcraft, whatever you want to call it...is a lot like playing Chess: learn to think three moves ahead and you'll do fine.

Knowing all the ways you lose heat and the rules of three gives you a headstart on two of them.

The third is mostly situational awareness.

Everytime I walk in my yard I watch my Siberian Husky "Satchmo". Dogs are good at situational awareness. So are deer and squirrel. Deer are damned good at it.

You can learn a lot from animals. Just pay attention to a squirrel the next time you go tramping through the woods. He tells everybody in a 2 mile radius that you're coming.

SQUAK!! SQUAK!! SQUAK!! SQUAK!!! SQUAK!! SQUAK!! SQUAK!! SQUAK!!! SQUAK!! SQUAK!! SQUAK!! SQUAK!!! SQUAK!! SQUAK!! SQUAK!! SQUAK!!!

...And he doesn't shut up until you leave the woods.

But if you sit still long enough, he ignores you...but he tells you when somebody else is coming...

God I sound like Tom Brown, Jr.... :rolleyes:
 
HAHA! Good 1 Kemsat..had a doe sneak up behind me and start nibbling on my ghillie suit once. beautiful girl almost gave me a heart attack! learning to move slow enough to have squirrels just sit on the ground and watch me go by without barking took some time....oh heck I sound like TB too! Maybe we out to run out and buy a Tracker huh? LOL!!
 
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