A major goal accomplished!!!!!

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So I have been hell bent to try and source some stone locally that can serve as a sharpening stone. I have collected a few pieces over the last month or so of rockhounding twice a week. I am not a geologist, so all I can conclusively tell you is that they are indeed rocks.

First one is hard, very very hard! It chipped out my Estwing rock hammer severely and took almost 7 hours of hand lapping with a 220# diamond stone to get a reasonably flat surface. It has a soapy feel to it, hard as can be, slow stone.

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The next one is a very fine stone, it feels like an 8K stone at first but building a slurry it quikckly slows down and works like a 12k+ stone. It needs a 30 minute soak seems like. It cracked across the face once I started lapping it, so I won't be able to hone razors on it, but knives are no problem. It is slower that the other stone, but softer and leaves a finer polish with self slurry.

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I was unaware of how I should use these stones, at worst they will end up in the fish tank! I did some experimenting with various steels, kitchen knives, pocket knives, plane blades, hard steels to soft steel. these two rocks didn't gouge like the others I tried, the grit seemed fine enough and uniform enough to work, so I pretty much just went with the flow. I am not a very good freehand knife sharpener, but I can normally get a very sharp edge on all my knives, and edge bevels are pretty consistant, but not perfect. so this was good motivation to learn freehand sharpening.

The knife I really tried to work on was a wood workers marking knife I made a year or so ago. It is 1080 steel, ground, heat treated and sharpened by me. It has excellent edge retention, is not a super tough steel, easy to sharpen as well.

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here is a shot of the edge after using the black stone only, it polishes up nicely!

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It took about 15 minutes to take the working class edge and get it to hair popping sharp, but I wanted to be able to whittle hair from freehand sharpening! I focused on my blade angle, consistancy, pressure, water on the stones, my breathing, and everything else I could think of. The knife is chisel ground with a slight URA grind on the back side. No stropping, no nagura stones, nothing but the edge it had and these two rocks!I finished the blade on the black one and used the white for some corrective passes.

a few mintes later and testing the edge it will now whittle hair along its entire length of edge!!!

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I am soo happy that I have been able to do this! Not just find suitable stones, but to freehand sharpen to this degree has been very satisfying. Any and all educated guesses on the rocks would be appreciated.


-Xander
 
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Can't say much about the rocks except the darker one looks more like a sharpening stone than the light colored one.

Good job! Those are some fine results for just using a stone. Keep us posted on future finds and results.
 
That is very cool, Xander!

I've always been anxious to look for & find the definitive 'natural' stones such as these, for the same end goals. I'd think there could be nothing more satisfying than using only what's available at any given place & time, to put a true hair-whittling edge on a blade. That's the very definition of self-sufficiency, and a testament to true skill. Very good. :thumbup:
 
Congratulations on your accomplishment!! I have always wondered how this would work but no clue in my area what kinds of rocks to look for. I was a real rock hound too when I lived out west.
 
Knifenut, David, thanx! It has been fun trying to source a viable stone. I live in the heart of the San Joaquin river valley and most of the rocks are a soft mud stone. I hope I can find more of these! If I do, maybe a passaround is in order.


-Xander
 
Knifenut, David, thanx! It has been fun trying to source a viable stone. I live in the heart of the San Joaquin river valley and most of the rocks are a soft mud stone. I hope I can find more of these! If I do, maybe a passaround is in order.


-Xander

The closest I've come to trying something like this, is with a chunk of sandstone I picked up in the neighborhood (I'm in NM, so sandstone is pretty much everywhere). This piece of sandstone is sort of interesting, in that when you get it wet, it can be rubbed against a piece of wood or leather, and the very fine grit comes off the stone in a smooth slurry, a lot finer (by feel) than I'd assumed. I used an older, cheaply-made paddle strop to apply this (presumably silica) slurry to, and stropped a few knives with it. Some of my simpler carbon steel blades (Opinel, Schrade Old Timer in 1095) seemed to respond pretty well to it, to a degree. I seem to think it works very nicely for quickly cleaning up burrs in particular. After the burrs are cleaned up, the performance of the strop seems to plateau a bit, with little or no noticeable increase in sharpness. I'm sure the unrefined character of this 'dirt' leaves some bulkier/coarser particles in it, which limits how much refinement is possible. But, it was encouraging enough, that I'm still thinking of ways to keep testing it out. Too early to draw any definitive conclusions, but it still makes this hobby quite a lot of fun. :)

Your post has revitalized my interest in this sort of thing, so I'll have to go looking for some more rocks. Thanks very much, for sharing what you've found. :thumbup:
 
Thanx Daniel! I'll get some detailed pics of the grey one and pic your brain a bit about it. I remember where I got this one, so I plan to try and find more, maybe I'll send you a chunk if I can.


-Xander
 
Well I did a little more work with these two stones. I somehow deformed a chunk of edge on my Kershaw skyline (Sandvik 14C28N steel) and it needed a sharpening. This is my edc knife and it gets a workout. I normally maintain the edge at work on the bottom of my coffee cup when it needs it, maybe every 4 days or so. I like to keep it very sharp.

It had a good working edge, not able to shave very cleanly, but catches the odd hair. Will slice paper ok, but for cutting carboard and plastic packaging it is more than fine. As I said it had a good sized deformation that a honing "steel" (I use ceramic) wouldn't fully take care of. It needed to be reprofiled. I breadknifed the edge on my trusty IB8 stone and then went to town on the coarse side to reset the bevels to the apex. Switched over to the fine and finished up.

Now it was on to my found stones. I started with the black one, soaked for 30 minutes and then went at it. I found that from the previous finish I needed to keep a slurry from building up to cut aggressively. Once I got a fairly uniform finish I went to the white stone. It really polished up the good spots and showed me what else needed to be worked on. Back to the grey for a bit. Another run on the white and it was looking good, but not working up a burr.

This time I built up a slurry with just a couple passes from a 600 diamond stone. I slowed down and used little pressure. The self slurry was building nicely and I could feel the sticktion from the edge. It was polishing up well! I got a very small burr, just what I wanted! I switched to no pressure and edge trailing strokes only to work the burr off. Now this thing is laser sharp!

I decided to try and compare it to other known grits I have, I went to a CrO2 balsa bench strop first. I did several laps each side and it left scratches in the finish from the stone! Holy Cow! This stone might be the perfect finishing stone! I went back to it to try and polish out the CrO2 scratches and then right to the untreated leather. This was a minimal improvement, showing that the finishing properties of this stone are likely sub micron once a good slurry is worked up. I am very impressed with how this stone is working out! I have never had this knife this sharp!

I will try take some pics tonight after work to put up here! I know I am going to go look for more of this stone first chance I get! It feels like halfway between a soft Arkansas and a Surgical black for hardness, and finish is very close to a high quality Jnat.


-Xander
 
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