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A new packable .22 coming soon

Personally I don't see the point of a packable .22 rifle, especially if I have to carry the thing myself while backpacking.

I've taken tons of small game (squirrel and rabbit) with a .22 or .38 handgun, so I can't justify the added bulk of a rifle.

Andy
 
Question concerning packable rifles: What would be a good size/weight for a packable rifle?

A 10/22 with a short carbon barrel that can be easily removed/reinstalled and a synthetic minimalist stock that can also be easily removed/reinstalled seems like it would make a good packable rifle.

Or

Something like a TC with a light-weight stock.

I think the 10/22 is a lot of rifle for the job, and a lot of customizing work to duplicate what a papoose does. There's also the golden 39 lever gun, which is a fantastic and overlooked option.

I think that a TC carbine in a lot of available calibers is a fine answer, and a case where I'd probably vote for a .32SWL or possibly a selection of handloaded .32 H&R magnum rounds.

All of those answers are a certain amount of space and mass you have to deal with, and that's a personal choice. As is rate of fire and ammunition capacity.


I partly agree with Andrew about pistols. While I find the bearcat to be fun, I don't think of it as having any real advantage over one of the good 8-9 shot full size .22 revolvers except a little bit of mass. And if you want to save mass that baldy I'd just say go with the mini-master. Bearcats are *nice* but expensive and really more of a youth sized gun.

I also partly disagree- the performance difference between short and long barrels is pronounced and I'd rather put rounds through 16 or 18 inches of barrel than 4 or 6- and I would not, for practical wilderness/packing use, carry something with a shorter barrel than that.

If you do some research on ballistic results of various barrels, especially with .22, .32, and .38/.357 rounds, you will find that there are some really huge performance increases with longer barrels.

Now, an ideal case in my mind would be a 12 inch barrel peep sight carbine in .22LR with a folding stock. I'd prefer it to be a repeater of some sort, but bolt action would be fine, and a 10 round capacity would make me not worry too much about reloads. Give it a 1:9 twist so that it handles the really heavy 60 grain subsonics well.

Since that's not doable, I like the idea of a simple and lightweight takedown. Which can be fairly expensive, and I have good revolvers. So I carry the revolvers for now.
A lot of this depends on what you want out of a packable gun. I tend to think of hunting as a primary task, but many people wnat something that is strictly self defense - which i think negates the 'packable' topic and just goes into tactical concealed carry choise in another forum area.
 
"If you do some research on ballistic results of various barrels, especially with .22, .32, and .38/.357 rounds, you will find that there are some really huge performance increases with longer barrels."

That can go both ways. I remember 35 yrs ago when they were first bringing out some light weight 90 & 110 grn JHP, high velocity loads (anyone remember supervel?) for use in the short barreled 38/357s, that they would actually loose velocity in the longer barrels ( 6" and 8" ) the powder would burn in the first couple of inches and the longer barrels would just be added drag and decrease velocity.

The same is true for shotguns and 22 rifles. Pre smokeless powder shotguns had longer barrels because the needed the extra length due to the slower burn rate of black powder. Thats why the long 30" & 32" barrels have all but gone away and the 24", 26" and 28"s are more popular.

I also read a study that said that 18" is about optimum for the 22 lr. but the added sight radius on the 20" and 22" barrels aids in aiming.


Just food for thought.
 
I certainly remember SuperVel. Good, hot, light round. Those things stepped out pretty well, IIRC. It was the only round that wouldn't feed reliably in my Browning P-35 until I had the feed ramp throated. They didn't stay on the market for long, though. Ah, nostalgia.

Very good post.

Found an empty SuperVel box at the range the other day, actually I have found several empty vintage ammo boxes at the range lately. People are digging into their old stock to find ammo to shoot. I keep picking up them up and taking them home, some of the old stuff is kinda neat. I might just put in a shadow box in my den.
 
I still own a AR-7 which I bought in the 70s. -- Have not fired it in years, but remember it was meant to be an emergency survival rifle (light weight, float in water, etc.) I did, back then, get some rabbits and a few squirrels - what it was should do. Hollow points jammed, but overall, it would get the job done (within a reasonable range). Though I bring it out at least once a gear to clean I have not fired it in over 20 years.
 
Here's an article from Field and Stream that addresses the Henry U.S. Survival rifle.

http://www.fieldandstream.com/articles/survival/2009/07/whats-best-survival-weapon

Link to the rifle at Henry Repeating Arms: http://www.henryrepeatingarms.com/h002_survival.cfm

h002_survival_lg.jpg
 
Here's one vote for a rifle over a pistol. Some of us can't hit the ground with a pistol...
 
Hmm. Looks very similar to an Armalite AR-7.

It is, basically. Henry may have made tweaks to the design, but it's the same gun.

From Wikipedia (seems accurate according to my memory):

Production History:

* 1959-1973: ArmaLite
* 1973-1990: Charter Arms
* 1990-1997: Survival Arms, Cocoa, FL
* 1997-Present: Henry Repeating Arms Co., Brooklyn, NY
* 1998-2004: AR-7 Industries, LLC, Meriden, CT (bought by ArmaLite in 2004)
 
Bentblade. I'm retired. Not sure what you mean by "HB": if you meant HP (HiPower), that, unfortunately, was sold off awhile back. Damn I miss that piece. It was extensively modified, extremely accurate, extremely reliable and was with me for many years.

Sorry
I knew a Bob Dawson back in the 70s who was a heck of a nice guy, a super shooter and did some art work when he retired from the Huntington Beach Police Department.

Guns, Art, San Diego, So. Cal., Figured if you were him you would know what I meant by HB.

Not all working or retired cops like to advertise. Not ashamed just security concious.
 
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I had one of the charter arms guns back in the early 80s. The dang thing was made to shoot around corners. The barrel has a metal liner with an aluminum cover. on my gun the liner was bent in side the aluminum cover. It was bent so bad you couldnt see though it. I was going to send the barrel back to Charter but the gun got stolen before I had a chance.
 
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"Now, an ideal case in my mind would be a 12 inch barrel peep sight carbine in .22LR with a folding stock." --Koyote

Along these lines I have a TC Encore with a folding Choate stock, 16" .22 & .357 barrels, & 20" .308 and 20ga barrels. The rifle barrels carry either Williams or Skinner peep sights.
For my purposes, reduced to one barrel, I'd keep the .357... .38sp 158gr semi-wadcutters for small game and full strength Buffalo Bore .357s for whitetail and mulies. (I don't seem to find the time to handload anymore.)
 
Packable .22: Marlin 39M Mountie!

Even more packable - Marlin 39TD!!! I have been looking for one (unsuccessfully) for a number of years. If Marlin could see fit to reintroduce this one, especially in matte stainless with their laminated stocks, they' have a hard time keeping them on the dealer's shelves...
 
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