A Public Service Announcement Concerning Knife Lovers and Disneyworld

A little back ground.

First off I am hyper conservative, and am very sensative about my rights and the rights of every other citizen. Second, I know a thing or two about the law. I spend several years as a Federal LEO, and as a full time professional knifemaker it behoves me to keep up to date on any new laws relating to my living. I also spent several years up to my nose in Political Sci and Constitutional Law classes.

So don't even dare lecture me on the 4th Amd.

Disneyland Resorts are PRIVATE PROPERTY! You do not have a claim to 2nd Amd rights while on the private property of another. They are not in any shape form or fashion breaking any laws by searching bags.

That is their right. You did want to talk about rights didn't you? Who are you to try to take away their rights as property owners?

Not putting hands into bags is a choice most likely made by the head of security of Disneyland. The choices made by Epcot and Disneyworld is a differant story. It is not unlawfull for them to do it. Anyhow they have your consent to search. If you do not want them looking through your bags DO NOT GO. You have no RIGHT to go to Disney Resorts. Entrance is granted only by Disney officials after you have paid your fee. They have the right to dump everything out on a table and look at it if they want to. (Just so long as none of your property is damaged).

If you do not like how they handle their business, do not give them money. That is how this system works. I am sure that Disney Resorts will miss your $42 gate fee from the $500,000 Disneyland gate alone brings in daily.

People are not giving up their rights by allowing themselves to be searched, THEY DON"T HAVE THE RIGHT TO BEGIN WITH!

Sure they are covering their butts, I would too if it were my business. AND SO WOULD YOU.

The same is true of the Airports (airplanes are private property), ball parks, concert arenas, et al.

AS for State Fairs.......Now that is a good question. The land is publically owned,,,,,However, State Fairs are in many case privately sponsored. That is up in the air, you would need to check your local case law.

What you should be concerned with is the random vehicle searches being done in and around NY and other cities. Now those are illegal.

Lastly,

Folks, WE ARE AT WAR!!!!! People are dying. You folks do not know 90% of the S*&T that is going on. Four highjackings were stopped at LAX. At least three car bombs (that I know of) were found in the LAX parking structure. Almost a dozen car bombs were in downtown LA. Do you want me to continue? No you do not, I wish I did not know most of the stuff I do.

So stop your bitching about something as stupid as Disneyland.

Its all gravy anyhow.
 
Second amendment says: ". . . the right of the people to keep and bear <i>arms</i> shall not be infringed."

Doesn't say "firearms" . . . It says "arms." The idea behind this amendment is to provide an armed populate to "well regulate" the govt. and the govt's "militia" -- during Revolutionary times the "army" but now "militia" would include state and federal police, any vaguely related "police" agency: IRS, INS, DEA, BATF . . .

Now, I respect the notion of private property. Third and fourth amendment respects private property too. "No quartering troops," "no unreasonable searches" -- Disney whatever is private property. They are free to "secure" their property any way they see fit. I don't have any problems with the right of property owners to secure property. You wanna go to Disney whatever, you need to submit to Disney security measures. Disney, and whoever else, has the right to search you. Has the right to restrict what you can bring onto their premises -- to included lace panties if that's what they want to do.

Now, on the side of reason. I have a concealed weapons license which is valid in several states. I've been investigated, instructed, and cleared to carry concealed weapons. I should be able to show this permit at any check point and be free to procede.

I particularly resent being restricted at gun shows and in gun shops from being allowed to carry a concealed firearm or blade insofar as I'm legal and "safe" to do so most any place else.

I'm waiting for a terrorist to pull something and a concealed weapons permit holder to "take him out." Yeah . . . I'm waiting to win the lottery too. :D
 
Expect more stringent knife laws like in the UK. Years of terrorism and a struggle to keep violent crime low have caused stupid legislation over here. Remember politicians worry only about re-election and the vast majority of people are sheeple. NOT KnifeKnuts.

To quote Die Hard " welcome to the party pal"

Knives are very much frowned upon over here, expect the same.
:barf: :mad: :rolleyes:
 
General,
We have the Bill Of Rights, the UK does not. We have also proved time and time again we are ready and willing to fight and die to protect our rights.

A man with a gun is a citizen, and man without is a subject.
 
Originally posted by Redfield
Now, I respect the notion of private property. Third and fourth amendment respects private property too. "No quartering troops," "no unreasonable searches" -- Disney whatever is private property. They are free to "secure" their property any way they see fit. I don't have any problems with the right of property owners to secure property. You wanna go to Disney whatever, you need to submit to Disney security measures. Disney, and whoever else, has the right to search you. Has the right to restrict what you can bring onto their premises -- to included lace panties if that's what they want to do.
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I agree, so, in my protest to the their attitudes towards arms, I choose not to conduct business with them, or go on their premises. I'd encourage all arms enthusiasts to do the same, when Disney is losing millions from lack of customers, we'll see if they change their tune, it worked for Smith & Wesson.
 
First off, Disney World just is not my thing. Biggest Ripoff IMHO in the world. But hey lots of folks do like it so be it. Their name has come up publicly several times as a target the terrorist intel weenies think is in danger. So my guess is they are sweating bullets hoping people still come. Plus the threat is real. A hit on disney world would be a logical target for a terrorist.
So I am sure they are going to do the most possible to make sure nobody comes in with anything. I just kind of assume now going into courthouses and concerts, sporting events etc, that I am going to be searched and I bring nothing. Terrorists gave box cutter and knives a bad name. Whats next pencils? Still, I agree Its private property and they can do what they want. Thing is I dont go to any of these places unless business demands it. Then you put up with it. Out on a public street is another matter.
 
BTTT so everyone who hasn't read it gets a chance before it falls off screen for good.
Stay cool people.;)
 
>"A hit on disney world would be a logical target for a terrorist."

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Why?
 
Originally posted by mnblade
>"A hit on disney world would be a logical target for a terrorist."

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Why?
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High target density equals high body count equals high shock value, especialy given all the kids that would be there. The enemies we face have no concept of fairness or morality.
 
Very well stated Mr. Callahan!

I've been struggling with the right way to answer mnblade's query since I read it earlier tonight. At first, I began typing examples of why Disney would be a prime target. Then, my common sense kicked me in the ass and I deleted it before I posted.:o
I'm just going to bed now, and something told meto check back here to see if anyone had a better way and lo and behold!
Now, I can sleep!
Thanks!:D
 
Private concerns really only have the right to search people who consent to the search upon entry - the person can just leave the premises - and take the money they were going to spend there with them. Generally, touching another person is illegal. Some stores for example want to search your shopping bags on exit. (Or they want to check your receipt - the person doing it usually can't even explain why they are doing it - only that their supervisor told them to look at all receipts) I simply ask if I am suspected of shoplifting. If they say no, I tell them to have a nice day and leave - without submitting to the search. Most places will not risk accusing a person of shoplifting unless they KNOW they have proof. One place that insisted on searching my bags - I refused and simply walked over to customer service, told them I was not satisfied with the merchandise and requested a refund - which the gave me without question - lost business. Bought the same merchandise at a competing store (saved some money too!). In some jurisdictions they can detain you if you were seen shoplifting.

I just try to not patronize places of business that treat their customers so badly. I am not a thief and will not be treated like one.
In many stores they have so many cameras on you you feel like you are on candid camera - and then they still want to search you on exit.

Incredible.

I believe that we should take steps to protect people - but we have to be very careful how it is done. We are talking about freedom and liberty and yet we restrict freedom and liberty in an effort to protect freedom and liberty. Makes no sense. Many of the protection efforts are being used to further restrict those freedoms and liberties in the name of public safety. Anyone for example that thinks that you will ever again be able to carry a nail file or a small pocketknife on a commercial aircraft again - well - I wouldn't count on it - ever. Rights, freedom and liberty once taken - usually are not given back.



Originally posted by Mike990
First off, Disney World just is not my thing. Biggest Ripoff IMHO in the world. But hey lots of folks do like it so be it. Their name has come up publicly several times as a target the terrorist intel weenies think is in danger. So my guess is they are sweating bullets hoping people still come. Plus the threat is real. A hit on disney world would be a logical target for a terrorist.
So I am sure they are going to do the most possible to make sure nobody comes in with anything. I just kind of assume now going into courthouses and concerts, sporting events etc, that I am going to be searched and I bring nothing. Terrorists gave box cutter and knives a bad name. Whats next pencils? Still, I agree Its private property and they can do what they want. Thing is I dont go to any of these places unless business demands it. Then you put up with it. Out on a public street is another matter.
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I just got back from Disneyland. They searched my fanny pack. They didn't even notice the Apogee that I had clipped to my pocket. I saw one guy walking around with an exacto knife hanging from a keychain Here's my newest knife.

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Damn that's a nice looking knife Scott Dog! What is the finish on the titanium?

I was searched last time I went to an amusement park. Must have been six years ago now. I wasn't that into knives but I still had a pocket knife, a leatherman and a Micra on me. I couldn't believe it, I had to give all of them up even the Micra and take a claim check so I could retrieve them on the way out. I remember bitching loudly to my friends about it.
 
:barf: :barf: :barf: I always thought Mickey was nothing but a money hungry seven foot rat anyway and wasn't planning to go see the rodent and make him richer.
 
Thanks Peter! It's the rainbow anodizing that Darrel Ralph puts on a lot of his folders. This one is Talonite. It is serial number 1. The pivot pin is larger than an Apogee that I bought in 2000. That one had DDRM on the clip. He put that on all the folders that he made in 2000. It has 420V blade. Both are very nice. And left handed.

2000 in 420V
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2001 in Talonite
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Sounds like yet another good reason not to go to Disneyland. They certainly have the right to do whatever they want on their private property to keep it secure, and I have the right not to go there. Yes, they probably won't miss my 42.00 but if there are a few million people like me then it might get to them.

I see that one person here seems to think that it is a good idea to toss common sense in favor of more "security." How sad.

What was this about Smith and Wesson backing down? I had not heard about that. The last I heard they were jumping in bed with the clinton administration.
 
S+W did not back down. They were nearly forced out of business and had to sell to a US company. The new owners tossed the British companies agreements out the window.

And I can go back to buying S+W firearms.
 
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