A question that has been asked before

TikTock said:
Id be a bit more concerned considering that knife is also Patented....according to the website. Not sure how close you can make a new one without stepping over that imaginary legal line...
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I'm pretty sure you can't patent a design, but there might be some elements of the knife that can be patented. I think I will look at getting a knife that incorporates the elements that I like about the knife, but not have it be close enough to infringe on a copyright or patent.

Dan, yes that is the one.
 
How many shapes are there to use and make a knife that will work, in my opinion none that haven't been used already. Each maker will add his own touch to what he or she makes.
Reggie
 
Oh, man, I was way off...when I read the horrible reputation part, I thought it was the same guy I had so much trouble with. If you are by chance intersted, review my previous threads and look for the really really long one (85 replies).
 
Keith Montgomery said:
I'm pretty sure you can't patent a design, but there might be some elements of the knife that can be patented.
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A design patent is very feasible, and is easier to obtain than a patent. It's effectively protecting intellectual property, rather than a mechanical or production design.

I agree with Coop. Paying tribute to the design is the same as giving the original maker more credit he doesn't deserve.
 
tonyccw said:
A design patent is very feasible, and is easier to obtain than a patent. It's effectively protecting intellectual property, rather than a mechanical or production design.
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I checked the Patent Office and found out that you are correct. I always thought that it was only utility patents that you could get, but design patents exist as well. Live and learn.

I am going to spend some time working on a design that takes what I like from the Predator Machete and combines it with other elements that I would prefer the knife to have. I will then use that design to give the maker a basic idea of what I am looking for. It will then be up to the maker to put his own identity into the piece.

Thanks guys. This thread has helped me quite a bit in deciding what I am going to do. Now to see if a certain maker would be interested in taking on a project like this.
 
I think I've seen something of this topic before, and might have even chimed in...

But Kieth... I'm guilty of doing just what you're asking about...

My very first commissioned piece was from a local maker I met at a show out here years ago: I had a small Taylor Aikuchi in 440c... Cheap, but the ideal size for what I was carrying it for, but I wanted a real one (Even back then I knew the difference between handmade and cheap commercial stuff, but I didn't know propper etiquette concerning the art of interacting with an artiste!) So I asked him to make me one very similar to it in cable Damascus... I still have it, he still remembers me and I honestly never thought I might offend him by asking him to copy something else that was of a very simple, traditional design.

My very first piece commissioned from a Master Smith was also a request to make a "better" version of a knife I had bought made out here by a local maker who apparently is no longer in public. I asked for their interpretation, in Damascus - and I have one of the finest hunting knives out there and if it was held up to the original, you wouldn't really recognize them as anything more than the same size and general profile... And again, it didn't even occour to me that there might be an issue with this...

And then I did it again... :eek:

But then I came across a thread a year or two ago concerning this very topic...

Sure wish this media and this forum were around a long time ago... Y'all would have educated me...



And then I wouldn't have three incredible knives!!! :D LOL!!!!


However, I do think that I wouldn't be inclined to ask for a copy of something that had a highly recognizable style without asking first... unless the maker was no longer with us... For instance, in this case Kieth, due to the recognition factor of that knife, I might be hesitant, but as others have said, maybe a maker out there could forge you one close, with your mods and maybe mods of thier own... just enough that it would be yours...

Afterall, as someone else also said... How many different ways can you form an oblong out of metal that both cuts and is easy and comfortable to hold? Form and function, in this case, seems to follow a very narrow path...
 
Found my maker to make this knife. It won't look much like the Crain knife when it is done, but it should be pretty darn impressive. The maker will be Russ Andrews. This is going to be one big SOB.
 
hi
i have owned the numberd version and standard crain version,i also have a
similar copy (not crain ) but its a 3/4" stock full integral d2 copy with the limited edition grinds like in the numberd version has,its awsome!
but not as big as the 14" bladed predator machete.
email me for pics if you like:thumbup:
 
eljockvis said:
hi
i have owned the numberd version and standard crain version,i also have a
similar copy (not crain ) but its a 3/4" stock full integral d2 copy with the limited edition grinds like in the numberd version has,its awsome!
but not as big as the 14" bladed predator machete.
email me for pics if you like:thumbup:
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I would like to email you, but your email is turned off in your profile.
 
Definitely get someone to copy that! I imagine copyright laws wouldnt stand if it were 1/2" longer/shorter or something. Youre right, that guy is a douche, and he seems to think its still 1988. Some people just dont know when its time to move on huh?:D
 
I'm not going to have the knife copied, but used as a design to show some of the things I am looking for in a knife. I personally think that Russ Andrews will make me something I will like better than the Crain Knife.
 
Keith Montgomery said:
....I personally think that Russ Andrews will make me something I will like better than the Crain Knife.
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That's what I would call a safe bet. :D Excellent choice.

Roger
 
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