A rather brief and personal email and explanation too a very old and dear friend....

gravertom said:
That's where I'm at!

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Tom
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Don't forget, "Round" is a shape....;) :cool:

Well we went to Okla Electronic Supply, better known here as Best Buy and bought myself a new mouse and a new mouse pad with a, "Memory Foam" wrist support. First one I've bought that truly fit the bill!!!!
When I flopped it down the dayumed thang acted like it wuz glued in place!!!!:thumbup: :cool:
Long story short fur a change, new mouse pad is wonderful, new mouse didn't work inn spite of whut I tried, plugged old mouse back in, has it's own special, "Compaq" plug and fitting, :rolleyes: and be dayumed if'en it din't start workin again, go figure....:rolleyes: :eek:






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Was the old mouse enamored of the new pad? Jealous of the new mouse? Maybe a little of both? These fickle electronic gadgets can be danged temperedmental. I hope that mouse keeps workin' for you after you've taken the new one back. I look forward to your posts and don't want 'em held up by a little hunk of plastic and wire.
 
One of the things that's really strange, weird, too me is that Barbie and I have been trying to, "Eat Right" for the longest time and pretty much thought we had succeeded but evidently not. :thumbdn:
I had been kinda wondering for awhile as Barbie has been buying, "Whole Grain Bread" for a hella long time and I've noticed for a long time that it tasted as if it had a lotta sugar in it.... and wasn't too much surprised when I saw that sugar was the 3rd ingredient in the recipe!!!!
What really brought it home was when I resumed our daily diet the first day I was able to notice it. After being used to eating really healthful food in the hospital and returning home to a really less noticeable healthy food I brought it up with my Barbie and she was as surprised as I first was. Now I'm on a mission to find a more healthy bread and a way to cook the delicious scrambled eggs I got in the hospital. Weird ainnit? ;) :eek: :D





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Glad to see you back Yvsa!

Ive noticed in the UK some "light" or "low fat" foods have large amounts of salt or sugar in instead.:(

Spiral
 
Everything has to have sugar (high fructose corn syrup) in it so kid's will eat it? Bread, pnut butter, diced tomatoes. Its crazy. You got to read the labels to find which is made with what. And reading those labels ain't any easier now as I get older, the print gets smaller or they use something like light-blue lettering on a white background.

Keep at it Yvsa. Its worth the effort. (m2c-I like a little cream cheese with my scrambled eggs.)

Rick
 
Hey Yvsa, great to find you posting here. I'm also trying to lose weight now and have become a careful label reader. I am amazed to find out how much salt is in almost all canned goods. Dammed shame!

Take care of yourself and keep us posted bro. Wishing you the best.
 
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Everything has to have sugar (high fructose corn syrup) in it so kid's will eat it? Bread, pnut butter, diced tomatoes. Its crazy. You got to read the labels to find which is made with what. And reading those labels ain't any easier now as I get older, the print gets smaller or they use something like light-blue lettering on a white background.

Keep at it Yvsa. Its worth the effort. (m2c-I like a little cream cheese with my scrambled eggs.)

Rick
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Rick I've noticed the same thing. Helluvit is they can slip up on a person real easy like if they're not really careful.:thumbdn: :(
I'd pretty well stopped going shopping with Barbie so had quit reading ingredient lists which is how they got us. Then only noticed the added sweetness after eating hospital served foods all the while under the guise of, "Whole Grain" which is supposed ta be good for you.;) :(

And thanks for the cream cheese tip, hadn't tried that before but will.:cool: :D

Another tip when trying to read small print is to make a very small hole by folding up your thumb and forefinger and then peeking through it while reading the print. It's often worked in a pinch for me when I didn't have my glasses along....
 
bread machines are great! Put in the stuff, set the time, and it will have the bread hot for you in the morning!

You control the ingredients. My wife finds that using half whole wheat gets some healthy stuff into the kids, which they will actually eat and enjoy. They can't stand most store bought bread now.

Take care,

Tom
 
(I LOVE A GOOD THREAD VEER !!!:D:D:D )


Health and Nutrition

Paleolithic Diets Worth a Closer Look, Expert Says

AUBURN, Iniv. Of Alabama. June 1---Some nutritionists believe we would all be a lot healthier if we ate more like our paleolithic ancestors.

In one respect, they’re right. Prehistoric diets, after all, were almost entirely free of saturated fat, sodium and sugar – factors associated with the rising levels of obesity, heart disease and diabetes commonplace in our own century.

In fact, that is why many nutritionists believe these ancient diets deserve a closer look, if only to establish a benchmark for healthier eating today.

"We need to look at this diet and determine how we can get our modern diet at least back to some semblance of it," says Dr. Robert Keith, an Alabama Cooperative Extension System nutritionist, "but we’re never going to be able to follow the prehistoric diet completely."

One major difference between the paleolithic and modern American diet involves the amount of protein consumed by our distant ancestors. While standard recommendations today emphasize the need to restrict protein intake to between 10 and 15 percent of overall calories, researchers believe some paleolithic humans derived up to 60 percent of their calories from protein.

But there is one important difference between now and then. Whereas many of the protein sources we consume tend to be high in saturated fats, most of the protein consumed by our ancient forebears tended to be extremely low in saturated fats.

"Studying these ancient diets, you’ll see that they were high in protein, but they certainly weren’t comparable to the high-protein diets some diet gurus recommend today," Keith says. "Yes, they were high in protein, but protein derived from very lean meat."

"Our leanest meat and pork products wouldn’t compare with what they ate. Probably the closest thing we have would be chicken or turkey without the skin."

Also, the small amount of fat in the prehistoric diet contained a high proportion of unsaturated fat, such as omega-3 fatty acids, which are now believed to provide a heart-disease safeguard, Keith says.

In temperate and tropical regions where fruits and vegetables were readily available, paleolithic humans also consumed prodigious amounts of fiber – between 100 and 150 grams a day. By enhancing the frequency of bowel movements, this may have aided in the quick elimination of carcinogenic substances from the intestinal tract.

Since bovine animals had not yet been domesticated, early humans derived almost all their calcium from plant foods – a fact that, by 21st century standards, reflected an incredible amount of plant consumption.

"Today, the only way to forgo dairy products entirely would be by eating between 10 and 12 servings a day of calcium-rich vegetables such as broccoli or spinach," Keith says. "But since most of us simply aren’t willing to do that, there is no other way to get our calcium intake other than from a supplement."

Today, humanity depends on only about 100 crops for 90 percent of the food supply. Our paleolithic ancestors, by contrast, consumed a much wider variety of plant micronutrients derived from a plant supply that was equally as diverse.

Wild grains, when available, were a staple of the paleolithic diet. Chock-full of nutrients, they were a far cry from the highly processed, nutritionally puny white bread common today.

Sodium, a staple of the modern diet, also was an extremely rare ingredient in paleolithic diets.

"Sodium generally is a dietary substance that is added to food," Keith says. "Since sodium is only found in small amounts in fresh foods, it’s likely our paleolithic forebears consumed very little of this mineral each day."

The absence of antibiotics, coupled with the accident-prone nature of the hunter-gathering lifestyle, meant very few paleolithic humans lived to age 60 – only about 9 in 100, by some estimates. Nevertheless, those who survived likely were impressive physical specimens, free of heart disease, hypertension and diabetes that plague so many moderns in old age.

So what can the paleolithic diet teach us about our own lifestyle?

First, Keith says, the insight researchers have gained from studying paleolithic diets shouldn’t be interpreted as an invitation to abandon all the conveniences of the modern diet.

Processed foods, after all, are a fact of life – the earth’s 6 billion people couldn’t survive without them. Even so, that doesn’t mean there is not a lot to be gained by adopting some aspects of the paleolithic diet.

Incorporating a high-fiber diet, rich in fruits and vegetables (especially green leafy vegetables) would be a good place to start, Keith says. Another step would be to replace highly processed white bread with unrefined products such as stone-ground, whole wheat bread.

"As a general rule, the darker the color and heavier the bread, the less processed it tends to be," Keith says.

Raisin Bran, whole and shredded wheat products also are good alternatives, he says.

Another good place to start would be substituting meat and pork with more baked and broiled poultry and marine products, Keith adds.

(Source: Dr. Robert Keith, Alabama Cooperative Extension System nutritionist, 334-844-3273.)
 
Kismet said:
(I LOVE A GOOD THREAD VEER !!!:D:D:D )


Health and Nutrition

Paleolithic Diets Worth a Closer Look, Expert Says

AUBURN, Iniv. Of Alabama. June 1---Some nutritionists believe we would all be a lot healthier if we ate more like our paleolithic ancestors.

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Another step would be to replace highly processed white bread with unrefined products such as stone-ground, whole wheat bread.

"As a general rule, the darker the color and heavier the bread, the less processed it tends to be," Keith says.

Raisin Bran, whole and shredded wheat products also are good alternatives, he says.

Another good place to start would be substituting meat and pork with more baked and broiled poultry and marine products, Keith adds.

(Source: Dr. Robert Keith, Alabama Cooperative Extension System nutritionist, 334-844-3273.)
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Funny you should bring this up Kis. several years ago there was a documentary about raw meats and how high it could get before it became inedible for us.... Surprisingly it could get what we would consider quite rotten by today's standards and still wouldn't hurt us while fresh meat had the opposite affect on us.


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There's an old book, by er...Max Schulman? maybe...Max Shulman's last novel was "Anyone Got A Match?", a biting satire about cigarette advertising on television ("Tatums Smoke Mild Like an Innocent Child!") New York comedy genre. Great, by my remembrance. Story line has a tobacco mogul creating a university to get a bunch of scientists to study and prove that processed foods were terrible for you, thus distracting the public from condemning tobacco.

Many small and wonderfully caustic comedic events with all the characters.
 
AUBURN, Iniv. Of Alabama. June 1---Some nutritionists believe we would all be a lot healthier if we ate more like our paleolithic ancestors.
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This is one of my pet peeves. A lot of these guys, honestly IMO, have no clue. One glaring example would be:

Sodium, a staple of the modern diet, also was an extremely rare ingredient in paleolithic diets.

"Sodium generally is a dietary substance that is added to food," Keith says. "Since sodium is only found in small amounts in fresh foods, it’s likely our paleolithic forebears consumed very little of this mineral each day."
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So these guys have never heard of salt licks???

But the main thing is that they try to divorce the "paleo" diet from the "paleo" lifestyle. In fact, the big supporters of the paleo diet pretty much always have the exact opposite lifestyle, in terms of meal times, eating frequency, and exercise.

I.e., actual ancient paleolithic Man, in the African savannahs, would not have been jogging at 5-6 in the morning, eating at 3 hour intervals, and doing resistance exercises only after eating a high-protein meal!

In general though, yes, paleolithic guys would have gotten nearly all their calories from lean meat, like antelopes and things. You may've seen the research on humans as distance-running predators, that really hit the spotlight a few years back. May explain why football is so popular; it involves all the things that make us human--teamwork, running a lot, and throwing things!

Anyway, though, an actual paleolithic diet and lifestyle would involve a ton of walking, to forage for food (and edible plant matter in a savannah is much less plentiful than the temperate woodlands and grasslands that most Americans and Europeans are familiar with!). Every once in awhile, I really couldn't guess how often, the men would hunt. And they'd hunt by picking an animal, and just running after it at about 12-14 mph, for an hour or longer, in the heat of the midday sun (and once again, this is prehistoric Africa we're talking about, not a temperate zone). That's also pretty good proof that paleo Man would have needed sodium supplements from salt licks, as they'd be sweating like crazy.

Any animal in the world can run faster than that, but humans can run farther than absolutely any other animal in the world. Running 19 miles at 12 mph is no good at all for getting away from a predator, but it's a very reliable hunting method. Unlike sprinting predators, who are only successful a relatively small % of the time (I think lions are successful about 50% of the time, even though they use teamwork), distance runners are nearly guaranteed a kill every time they hunt.

Anyway, when the animal finally collapsed of heat stroke, it would be stabbed to death with spears, or strangled with bare hands. Then they'd have to haul this thing back to camp, and everyone would gorge themselves on meat. Most likely raw, as meat generally has to be out of refrigeration for at least 8 hours before it starts to become unsafe, and people back then probably had better immune systems. Cooking would probably have only been used on meat that was starting to go manky.

So the actual paleo "diet" would have been a small amount of plant matter each day, basically just enough to keep from starving, and then every once in awhile you'd get all the raw meat you could eat (though only after running a very long distance, then walking back home!). Meat from small game would have been very rare, because again, African savannahs, not woodlands. It's hard to sneak within throwing or shooting range of an animal on an open plain.

But anyway, the main thing is, a paleo lifestyle, which includes the diet, should involve a lot of walking and running. What's the point in eating like ancient Man did, if you aren't also exercising like them? Diet and exercise are very closely connected, if you're trying to be healthy (and cardio is good for you anyway). And the biggest supporters of the paleo diet alone are usually the body builder types who can't run to save their lives.

Addendum: The paleo diet/lifestyle, even if it is a valid approach, still isn't going to work for everyone. It's not like evolution simply stopped once we grew opposable thumbs. Just as an example, most Asian and native American races are genetically predisposed to sweat a lot less than Africans, Europeans, and Australian Aborigines. That's a definite factor for picking what kind of cardio exercises to do.
 
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Osiyo Yvsa! I got your quick email to my Blackberry the other day and finally have been able to get over here to see what's up. My deep apologies for not getting in touch with you sooner, and I hope you are feeling much better. I've been working late and then studying 3 hours per night so the days go by in a blur.

I sent several emails and was beginning to worry but Kis filled us in on the situation. Last I heard you were going in mid November for a neck surgery that was supposed to be relatively straightforward compared to the upcoming back surgery. Didn't realize they were going to starve you, but have to admit that's one way to lose weight, although I would prefer just about anything else over a prolonged stay in the hospital!

Hope you've regained some mobility in your neck and back, and am relieved to hear you are back home.

All the best and please keep in touch.

Norm
 
Glad to see you back here Yvsa!

And lots of thanks to all for all the infos about health and nutrition.

Mohd.
 
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