A small and humble suggestion for spyderco

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Spartan00

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Hi guys , start this off with I love spydercos , I have quiet a few and have had more over the years , love spyderco as a tool and the people behind the company , you guys are a class act.

When I want a super steel or a knife to excel at cutting things I go with spyderco . Over the years though my zdp-189 models (most carried spydies ) have needed sharpening .


Anyhow the whole point of this thread is a sharpening choil/ notch whatever you want to call it on the blade . Nothing fancy nothing big just a small cutout so when us folks that use our knives and sharpen and sharpen them down we don't get those odd blade shapes from not being able to sharpen down the whole blade.

Simple solution is do it yourself I know and I have both with a triangle rod and a diamond file . Problem is it doesn't look right IMHO and I think if spyderco did it it would "flow" much better .

This is not a hate thread or a bash spyderco thread that's not my intention. I've owned many spydercos and what issues I've had have always been fixed . Just a small request from a guy that uses his knives a lot to make maintenance a little easier .
 
Can't believe you posted this today Spartan!!
I'm carrying my s110v Para 2 and I was thinking the same exact thing. Curious if you'll get a response??
I agree it should be 'barely there' as not to lose any more edge......the Choil eats a bit of it up as it is.
Good question bro.
Joe
 
One one of the reasons I love my Slysz Bowie so much, the sharpening choil! Aside from helping sharpening, I think they look very aesthetically pleasing.

Though the choil on my Bowie is disappearing from use and re sharpening :(

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Typically the response is that it's easier to add a sharpening choil than to remove one. I understand why you would want one but I find it snags and gets in the way when cutting.

I'd rather see Spyderco apply it to some designs and not others just like they're doing now.


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That blade gets lots of love knifebro!!! Awesome!!
Here is edge on my Para 2. Tried to get the same location of the blade you did.
Wouldn't a small choil be perfect??
Joe
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Is it possible that we are missing a step when sharpening that part of the blade?

I ask because I have similar issues (and have notched several of my older users) but I know of plenty Spyderco users on here that do not need a notch and they sharpen them just fine and even.

I use an Edge Pro mostly.
 
Stays Sharp said:
Is it possible that we are missing a step when sharpening that part of the blade?

I ask because I have similar issues (and have notched several of my older users) but I know of plenty Spyderco users on here that do not need a notch and they sharpen them just fine and even.

I use an Edge Pro mostly.
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You can sharpen them a few times fine , it's when you really use a knife and sharpen it a lot like my manix s110v and zdp are about 3 4 years old and have seen better days you start to almost get a recurve with a notch.

I was thinking and this sounds crazy but hear me out . Sharpening choils are ugly and people hate them because they snag sometimes when you cut . What if you just cut 1 serration as a sharpening notch I mean seems like it would work and if it ever got snagged it'd cut instead of hanging you up.
 
I abhor them. Snag on material and have no functional purpose IMO. I would rather have a 1/4 inch steel at the heel that is not at optimal sharpness than a notch that will snag material. On top of that, I have no issues keeping my edge bevel straight and sharp all the way to the tang, even on my daily users that are years old and have seen hundreds of sharpening. As someone else stated, you can always cut your on sharpening notch but you can't put the steel back once its gone. A sharpening notch is pretty much a deal breaker for me on a design. Hate em!! Hehe, later I'll tell you how I really feel. :rolleyes: :p

One suggestion I would make to those who use the sharpmaker is when starting at the heel, tilt the handle out just a couple degrees allowing the corner of the rod to get all the way to where the edge meets tang. As you continue the stroke you can bring the handle back in. I do this consistently when sharpening and never have any issues with irregular wear or sharpness.
 
What bothers me more is that my Spydercos will occasionally not be sharpened all the way to the heel, or not sharpened consistently. I don't have any sharpening systems to correct that, and it's hard to do freehand, especially on harder steels. I feel like this indicates that they themselves have trouble sharpening all the way to the heel without a sharpening choil.

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Surfingringo said:
I abhor them. Snag on material and have no functional purpose IMO. I would rather have a 1/4 inch steel at the heel that is not at optimal sharpness than a notch that will snag material. On top of that, I have no issues keeping my edge bevel straight and sharp all the way to the tang, even on my daily users that are years old and have seen hundreds of sharpening. As someone else stated, you can always cut your on sharpening notch but you can't put the steel back once its gone. A sharpening notch is pretty much a deal breaker for me on a design. Hate em!! Hehe, later I'll tell you how I really feel. :rolleyes: :p

One suggestion I would make to those who use the sharpmaker is when starting at the heel, tilt the handle out just a couple degrees allowing the corner of the rod to get all the way to where the edge meets tang. As you continue the stroke you can bring the handle back in. I do this consistently when sharpening and never have any issues with irregular wear or sharpness.
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That's cool I get some people hate them but how but this you know how spyderco sharpens if you send your knife in ? How about for a couple bucks more they cut you a choil. They can keep them coming without one for people that hate them but at least have an option to put one in for a fee.
 
i have often wondered why spyderco isn't putting a sharpening choil on there knifes! really would be nice if they did,the brad southard has a rather large one or maybe it part of the design of the knife!for me it makes sharpening a little better on my edge pro with it,i no there has to be some sort of reason most of there folders don't have one! its easy just to add a s.choil your self,maybe thats there thinking.
 
Spartan00 said:
That's cool I get some people hate them but how but this you know how spyderco sharpens if you send your knife in ? How about for a couple bucks more they cut you a choil. They can keep them coming without one for people that hate them but at least have an option to put one in for a fee.
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Yep, that would indeed be a cool service. Like you, I can totally see the other perspective but with any detail like this where opinions are divided, I would rather see production models made in a way that satisfies one half and can be modified for the other half. The Delica is a good example. I don't like the little hump at the tip and much prefer the old design with a straight spine and more acute tip. I realize though that many folks like the stronger tip. I have often said on here that I wouldn't want them to change because it is easy for me to grind the spine down. Easier to take some metal off than to add it.

Aside from your idea about the Spyderco sharpening service, I also like the idea of making the choil a sharpened serration. I would still rather just have a flat edge but if I were going to have a sharpening choil, I would MUCH rather have a functional serration there than an unsharpened half moon material grabber.
 
50an6xy06r6n said:
What bothers me more is that my Spydercos will occasionally not be sharpened all the way to the heel, or not sharpened consistently. I don't have any sharpening systems to correct that, and it's hard to do freehand, especially on harder steels. I feel like this indicates that they themselves have trouble sharpening all the way to the heel without a sharpening choil.

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The way I look at it though, a sharpening choil doesn't help you to sharpen all the way to the heel. It just removes the steel that you are unable to sharpen and leaves you with an indentation rather than a smooth edge. From a functionality standpoint, I would rather have a bit of smooth edge.

I don't own an edge pro, but from commentary I have read on here, it might be a bit more difficult to sharpen all the way to the heel with that system. I almost always use the Sharpmaker and it is easy to really get all the way in there with the triangle rods. When reprofiling with the diamond rods, I am able to get a razor sharp edge all the way to within a millimeter or two of the tang.
 
Spartan00 said:
Yes what'd you do that with ??
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That used to be a combo edge and I sharpened out the serrations. Due to the angle of the heel to the handle on the Tenacious, I couldn't get to the last scallop so I just left it.
 
Spartan00 said:
Yes what'd you do that with ??
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That used to be a combo edge and I sharpened out the serrations. Due to the angle of the heel to the handle on the Tenacious, I couldn't get to the last scallop so I just left it.
 
Surfingringo said:
Yep, that would indeed be a cool service. Like you, I can totally see the other perspective but with any detail like this where opinions are divided, I would rather see production models made in a way that satisfies one half and can be modified for the other half. The Delica is a good example. I don't like the little hump at the tip and much prefer the old design with a straight spine and more acute tip. I realize though that many folks like the stronger tip. I have often said on here that I wouldn't want them to change because it is easy for me to grind the spine down. Easier to take some metal off than to add it.

Aside from your idea about the Spyderco sharpening service, I also like the idea of making the choil a sharpened serration. I would still rather just have a flat edge but if I were going to have a sharpening choil, I would MUCH rather have a functional serration there than an unsharpened half moon material grabber.
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Trust me I see both sides of it . I have other knives that I will literally get so aggravated in use because the while boot on portion of the blade is unsharpend . Of the knives without notches Spyderco does a good job IMHO .

I freehand 99% of the time and for me to grind down a heel I basically grind a flat spot at the heel with my stone . . I've go to where I remove as least material as I can but I still remove a little to much in front of the heel and I've ended up with a thin spot in some of my blades . Had to go back cut a notch and even out the bevels on a belt sander.

I miss the a spyderco forums ! 2 people can disagree and discuss like adults and walk away no hard feelings . BTW I have some older enduras myself if you like the old style grab a police . Only a spyderco I ever snapped a tip on was a zdp endurance new style . It's all good now though as I gave it the Michael Janich aka I can't grind well enough to put a tip so I ground just the very tip lol (me not michael)
 
I cuss sharpening notches, always catching twine or cardboard etc! Not for user knives. Spyderco does a great job of bringing the grind back very close to the plunge line!
 
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