a tad, just a tad off topic.

hahaha, I had the same situation when I took it last year. The way I look at it: if you don't give a darn about serving your country, and are adamantly opposed to it, you have no right living in it. That's not to mention the fact that if there is a draft, those punks will look like a bunch of morons, even if they aren't, and they will be stuck with the crappiest jobs available. Here are my results (the scan is a little big, but I wanted to be sure it was legible):

They told us in English class that year that the circled numbers at the top right were all that really mattered, as well as the Military Careers Score and the Military Entrance Score (AFQT).

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It doesnt realy matter what your score is if you want to be a dumb Infantryman like I did:D
Seriously, If you decide to join the military, don't let them talk you in to signing up for more than three years. It is a great experience but you may not want to make it a career. Good Luck.
 
So, my 2 cents. First, I can not remember my score as it was over 10 years ago...OK, maybe 15. Second, I encourage everyone to take the test seriously...even if you lack any service aspirations. If a draft (very unlikely), that score will be used and you will have little options. Third, you can choose a "low tech" MOS with a high score. You can not go the other way. If you go infantry and then have special-ops aspirations you need a reasonable score! But, agian, I don't remember my score (no, I am not SpecOps). The recruiters can tell you the minimum scores required for each MOS (this is sometimes a moving target as the minimum can be lowered if a shortage occurs). You just have to push the recruiter to tell you.
 
I took my asvab back in 1986 or1987. I only remember my GT score because it was the number everybody wanted to know back then.

It looks like a different test with different scoringing groups now. At least judging by the picture above. No GT even listed.
 
I hate to say this but,that test you took means nothing. If you want to join the Military you will have to take the whole test at MEPS.

Frank
 
If you're serious about joining the military, then you should read the book About Face by Colonel David Hackworth.

Besides there's other ways to serve your country then joining the military.
 
thanks for the comliment, sounds like your scores were pretty good as well :thumbup:

Give it your best and never give up; I'm currently an applicant at the US Naval Academy and if that doesn't work out, I'm gonna go through the Marine's Platoon Leader Course, which is an officer candidate course for the Marines split up into a few summers.

Congrats on your goals, we need more people like you and me in this world. And if I were you, I'd start training right now. Do a lot of running, pushups, crunches, and pullups. I wish I had a time machine...the only reason I really care about college is so I can serve as an officer :D can't wait and am gonna give it more than my all. Good luck :thumbup:
 
elvenbladesmith07 said:
...are serious about joining the U.S. army...i want to do infantry...i would like to become a scout/sniper...i just dont want to have to carry the M16. expert marksman usually carry an M14...
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First, I encourage your desire to serve infantry...though I am biased.

Now, I do not want to discourage you but if you do not want to carry an M16, you should choose another manner to serve. The M16 is the basic rifle you WILL carry. If you carry something different, it will have more to do with what your unit and/or post has in stock, etc... I never saw an M14 in the hands of any infantry GIs while I was infantry and never saw one at any weapon demos during any subsequent training. So, I am not sure how accurate your statement, "usually carry an M14" actually is. I carried an M16 A2.

You should definately have goals. You should also be realistic. Sniper or "Special Operations Target Interdictions Course" (SOTIC) is through the Spec Ops division. There are very limited slots and SpecOps folks are in line first (SF & Rangers). There are numerous individuals that wait years for the opportunity to go to this and other courses. With the downsizing of military and military budget, SpecOps courses are being more restrictive in who can be considered for this type of training. If you are really serious (about "sniper"), I would encourage you and your buddy to look into the "SF 18xray" program...it is the straight shot from basic training through airborne, then selection, then SF. It is available only to new recruits without prior service. Yet, there are NO guarantees you will make it all the way to the green hat.
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/enlistedjobs/a/18x.htm


Final note, I have been told by all military instructors that a newbee/novice with little shooting experience is often more successful and easier to train to expert. They always stated that the newbee was a blank slate while the "experienced/pretrained" soldier always required unlearning. Do not presume to know how well you will do in weapons qualification. Go with an open mind and do what you are taught not what you think you know.
 
www.hackworth.com and www.sftt.org Check those out.

Hackworth retired col. most decorated soldier in us army, 8 purple hearts 6 silver stars and bunch more stuff. Served 4 tours in vietnam, was in korea. I also read Steel My Soldiers' Hearts, very very good too. And if you are going to be in the army, then you need to read his book the Vietnam Primer too, on unconventional warfare. You should also read a lot about history, the US War of Seccesion, also called the Civil War. History repeats itself, is right now.
 
elvenbladesmith07 said:
oh yeah, i know. my and a group of friends are serious about joining the U.S. army. we plan on doing the buddy system when we graduate, so that we have a better chance of being toghether. i want to do infantry, and hopefully ill qualify expert marksman. i scored a 77 on the MES, i got similar scores to gubby, exept my math was a 67 percentile. i found out from my recruiter that a 31 is needed to be a grunt, and a 50 or higher is needed for SF. i would like to become a scout/sniper. and before you ask, yes i have given this serious thought, and i understand how hard it is to murder a man that isnt a immidiate threat to you, i hope that i never am required to do so. but if im called upon to do my duty, i will. being a scout or a sniper is doing a job that best suits me and my skills.
i understand there are other ways to serve my country, but this is the one that seems right to me. ive always wanted to go into the service, and in a year ill have my chance. i plan on signing up for the shortest time possible, and then if i want to continue i will re-enlist.
i dont need the marksmanship test to tell me how well i shoot either, i know that. i just dont want to have to carry the M16. expert marksman usually carry an M14.
thanks for you guys help, and gubby may i say an exellent score. most of the people i know who even tried didnt get above 50. my good friend matt got a 31, and he's an army brat.
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Sounds like you have the scores, in my day the GT score was what they went off of for Rangers you had to have a 110, and I think SF was 115, I qualified for both. If you want up to date no BS military info I recommend ArmyRanger.com, we have active duty recruiters (well he finally came off the trail) and mods that are 18 series also. We have a whole section for DEPs and a mentorship program. One warning, if you post read the FAQ


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Why do you consider shooting a valid military target from a distance murder? What, just because he can’t see you? One of the most basic of military tactics is the ambush, the enemy is not supposed to see you there either so is at that moment not a direct threat. Doesn’t seem like a good mindset to have considering the field you are wanting to go into.
 
I figured when he said the murder thing he was talking about an unjust war, probably something that is just an extenstion of politics and about money, well that would be almost every war or "conflict.":eek:
 
It's been a while since I took the ASVAB, but as stated above, higher scores are always better.

If you are serious about the military, start preparing now. Physically - run - a lot. Learn how to do proper pushups - I saw about 5% of my MEPS group get sent to a Fitness company because they couldn't do 13 proper pushups. Start learning some military basics. Rank structure, military time, etc... It'll put you a little ahead of the game when the time comes.

Get it in writing. If a recruiter promises you something, and it's not included in your contract, you can run into serious problems trying to get it straightened out later. Examine your paperwork at MEPS (I went in as a medic, but my paperwork has me slotted for communications - I raised a stink in MEPS, got it changed back on the spot), threaten to walk if they don't give you what you want. Understand that the contract just gives you the chance at something -it doesn't guarantee it. If you flunk out of a program, you could end up as a cook, truck driver, whatever - depending on the needs of the service.

M14 vs. M16 - M16 is the standard weapon, w/ variants like the M4 for those w/ need. M14 - you may see them in special circumstances, but not everyone who qualifies expert will get an m14 (qualifiying expert is not all that difficult) - I knew tons of infantry guys who were expert marksmen - all carried M16s. There may be a designated marksmen in some squads - they will typically carry a more accurate version of the M16 -this is due to logistics - it's easier to support one weapons platform (and ammo/magazines/etc... can be borrowed from your squadmates - not so w/ the M14).

Sam
 
Elevenbladesmith


I have read those links on quite a while back. I suggest that maybe you pursue a career as a firefighter or a paramedic, both very worthy professions.

Since our current military is voluntary, I really can’t see someone in your shoes with these issues wanting to be a sniper much less in the infantry.

I am curious did you visit the site I mentioned?
 
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