A thread by the new guy. I like Bowie Knives plus a side rant about "Cheaper Blades".

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I know that just about every post is a rehash of an earlier topic that has been discussed at one point or another. But that's the wonderful thing about the internet! Anyways, while I'm new here, I'm not new to some ideas. I like knives, saps. blackjacks, firearms, etc.... But today I want to discuss the Bowie Knife. Why? Because the Bowie Knife is part of Americana. It is part of the national mythos much like the Colt Single Action Army and M1 Garand.

I've had some cheap Pakistani made Bowies in my younger years, but recently, I went and got myself a Bear & Son's Cutlery CB00 Bowie.

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Why? Because it is a cheap replacement for the Randall that I traded away years ago for a S&W Revolver (wheel guns are my first love). But I got that Randall in another trade and in the end. While I understand and respect the quality that goes into such a knife (and I'll have another again at some point), it isn't a MUST HAVE for me.

So, about the Bear & Son's Bowie. Is it the best thing out there? Nope. But why did I get it? I can explain it for three reasons.

1. I wanted an American made knife since the Bowie is American (never mind the fact that Sheffield, UK made a ton of Bowies in the past for the US market).
2. I didn't want to spend an arm and a leg for the knife, but at the same time I didn't want another Pakistani made wall hanger.
3. I don't use my knives for bationing and clearing out the back forty of hardwood.

I own the vast majority of my knives for self-defense. Now, do I see myself getting into a fight like the Sandbar? Nope. Are my knives my primary self-defense tool? Nope. But are they viable self-defense tools? Yup. (I know the truth about knife fighting. The winner still gets cut up and rides to the hospital, the loser usually lies on the sidewalk thinking about his last few seconds before the blood stop reaching the brain.)

The Bear & Son's Bowie is a good blade for that intended task of being a self-defense knife for the price. It isn't the best steel, or the fanciest work.

But here's the truth, the vast majority of the medium grade blades out in the market today still beat the best of what was available for the vast majority of humanity's history. As a species, we haven't changed much over the centuries. Getting slashed or stuck still does the same thing. Even some cheap $5 Paki made boot dagger with crappy pig iron will make a person leak like a sieve if it is jammed into the carotid artery enough times.

Look at deer hunting. About 130 years ago, deer were being killed with rifles like Winchester Model 1873s in .44 WCF or something far less powerful. Now a days, some folks get bolt actions in .300 RUM at distances of under 100 yards. Have the deer in less than a century and a half evolved to have kevlar hides? Nope. But folks do it (hell, I'm a sucker for 9.3x62mm Mauser and I mostly hunt pesky little FL deer because it is such a interesting cartridge) and will continue to do it.

I'm just saying, that as the new guy here. Yes, we can chase the riddle of the perfect mythical piece of steel (and if I had the money to do so, I'd have a pile of high-end knives). But for the part, a knife doesn't have to break the bank to make a bad guy bleed or make him try to hold his innards in.

Okay, that side rant is done with.

Anyways, back to Bowie Knives. I like 'em, I know you folks like 'em too. So let's discuss the pros and cons of the various Bowies out there.
 
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I own the vast majority of my knives for self-defense. Now, do I see myself getting into a fight like the Sandbar? Nope. Are my knives my primary self-defense tool? Nope. But are they viable self-defense tools? Yup. (I know the truth about knife fighting. The winner still gets cut up and rides to the hospital, the loser usually lies on the sidewalk thinking about his last few seconds before the blood stop reaching the brain.)

The Bear & Son's Bowie is a good blade for that intended task of being a self-defense knife for the price. It isn't the best steel, or the fanciest work.

But here's the truth, the vast majority of the medium grade blades out in the market today still beat the best of what was available for the vast majority of humanity's history. As a species, we haven't changed much over the centuries. Getting slashed or stuck still does the same thing. Even some cheap $5 Paki made boot dagger with crappy pig iron will make a person leak like a sieve if it is jammed into the carotid artery enough times.
What about carving your own shelter or skinning animals? Would a butter-soft, poor-heat-treat, impossible to sharpen jelly-steel knife really be better than, say, a piece of hardened carbon steel like a railroad spike or any old carbon steel properly cooked? There are certainly cheaper knives out there, that while they are of a "basic" low-alloy steel, I do not scoff at well-hardened 440, and I am sure some well-treated 8cr camp/hunting knives with good geometry would absolutely do if you needed it for your life.

You can literally sharpen and fire-harden a wooden stick into a spear, and it'd be superior to anything else for defense. The spear wins the day for sharp-weapons. You could pack a long 440 heat-treated bowie like this on your side, if you were for some reason preparing for armed, bladed combat. But yeah... you don't want a huge big knife that'll be only good for sticking into someone once, you can use a stick or a chef knife for that.

There is nothing wrong with "budget" or "basic", but "cheap" is another story. People knew how to cook a good knife out of basic steels for a long time. Just offering an alternate viewpoint. Welcome to the forum :) Nice knife, too. I wouldn't scoff at some USA made 440 series bowie like this, it is actually a prime example of what I mean!
 
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I just sold this guy

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And this guy
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So I can buy a CaseXX vintage 60s stag handle bowie. Im also looking to pick up a stacked leather Manitou or canoe from BRK because I gave my godson my NIB CPM cruwear stag handle canoe as a gift.

Better being used by him then sat in my safe.
 
Just read that this knife is actually 12c27, nice!

Yeah bro, Bear and Sons isn't a bad knife company per season. Nothing to apologize about, it's an affordable alternative to cheap Chinese crap.


It's funny that this thread came-up today, because I posted this pic on another Forum, for "National Knife Day" (*August 24th), a coupla' years ago...







I have a buttload of relatively "expensive" custom and semi-custom knives, but still LOVE my little Bear & Son (*Large) "Gold Rush" Bowie. I've used it for everything from light wood-prep to camp food prep, out at some secluded Farms and Ranches, and it has never let me down. The 12C27 has performed flawlessly.

If I really want to beat on a Bowie, I get that out of my system with my little Ontario SP10... 🤷‍♂️



 
Man you guys are making me want to hit up ebay and impulse buy a new bowie. I was eye balling those bear and son bowie knives too. They look clean and I love the guard. Its hard to tell from the photos but is that bevel hollow ground?
 
Man you guys are making me want to hit up ebay and impulse buy a new bowie. I was eye balling those bear and son bowie knives too. They look clean and I love the guard. Its hard to tell from the photos but is that bevel hollow ground?



As far as I can tell, it's a straight-up saber grind.
 
Alone Alone Yes, I have come to the conclusion that the SP series is pretty indestructible, I have an SP-1 as a KA-BAR alternative, and I have used it with abandon, not the best cutter in the world cause of the geometry, but it does the trick when sharpened some, and is plenty strong to make up with it. Always had an eye for the SP-10, just because... well, I know it is giant and indestructible and a lot of fun. Nice look you have going on yours, too, love the stripped-polished look!

I do not have a proper Bowie yet, just an engraved Chinese BudK (looks pretty nice to be fair), the SP-1, and a Buck 110 if you want to call that a bowie, love that one most. Wonder what is around in a proper, "good old" steel, good heat treatment, for a good price, anyone have recommendations? I feel like I should own one proper one. A hollow-grind would be cool!
 
Alone Alone Yes, I have come to the conclusion that the SP series is pretty indestructible, I have an SP-1 as a KA-BAR alternative, and I have used it with abandon, not the best cutter in the world cause of the geometry, but it does the trick when sharpened some, and is plenty strong to make up with it. Always had an eye for the SP-10, just because... well, I know it is giant and indestructible and a lot of fun. Nice look you have going on yours, too, love the stripped-polished look!

I do not have a proper Bowie yet, just an engraved Chinese BudK (looks pretty nice to be fair), the SP-1, and a Buck 110 if you want to call that a bowie, love that one most. Wonder what is around in a proper, "good old" steel, good heat treatment, for a good price, anyone have recommendations? I feel like I should own one proper one. A hollow-grind would be cool!


It's my understanding that, for a knife to be considered a "Bowie", it has to have a blade >9.5".

Despite that, if you're looking for a Bowie'esque knife that has all the goodies (*strength, performance, value, etc.), and an amazing and proven heat-treat (*and hollow grind), I'd go with the Buck 124 "Frontiersman"...hands-down...







This thing ^^^ is an underestimated BEAST, and a straight-up PERFORMER. (*Look-up some of Enzo’s Woodshop Enzo’s Woodshop 's posts. He's probably used his 124 more than anyone)
 
I always thought the blade had to large as well. Then I see companies like Bark River calling their 5" knives bowies


I think a lot of folks call their particular knife renditions "Bowies" based on aesthetics. However, as I posted above, I think a true "Bowie knife" has a blade of 9.5" or better. I'm no "knife expert" and could definitely be wrong. That's just something that I've read and heard a few times.

Maybe someone with a greater deal of knife knowledge will come along and educate me (*us) a bit.
 
I don't own a bowie. They never really appealed to me. Am I missing something? I only own 2 fixer blades. Maybe I will have to rectify this at the knife show this weekend.
 
That's a cracking knife as another said in 12c27 steel, very tough and perfect (unless you want carbon steel) for a larger knife/chopper etc...

You've got me thinking now😏
 
What about carving your own shelter or skinning animals? Would a butter-soft, poor-heat-treat, impossible to sharpen jelly-steel knife really be better than, say, a piece of hardened carbon steel like a railroad spike or any old carbon steel properly cooked? There are certainly cheaper knives out there, that while they are of a "basic" low-alloy steel, I do not scoff at well-hardened 440, and I am sure some well-treated 8cr camp/hunting knives with good geometry would absolutely do if you needed it for your life.

You can literally sharpen and fire-harden a wooden stick into a spear, and it'd be superior to anything else for defense. The spear wins the day for sharp-weapons. You could pack a long 440 heat-treated bowie like this on your side, if you were for some reason preparing for armed, bladed combat. But yeah... you don't want a huge big knife that'll be only good for sticking into someone once, you can use a stick or a chef knife for that.

There is nothing wrong with "budget" or "basic", but "cheap" is another story. People knew how to cook a good knife out of basic steels for a long time. Just offering an alternate viewpoint. Welcome to the forum :) Nice knife, too. I wouldn't scoff at some USA made 440 series bowie like this, it is actually a prime example of what I mean!
My days of playing woodcraft is long and over. If I have to carve my own shelter or do skinning to ensure my survival. Things went wrong.... HORRIBLY WRONG. 😅🤣😂 And I stilloved through and remember Hurricane Andrew, Hurricane Katrina, and Hurricane Michael.

And that's why I said cheap isn't bad. Chasing steel is mentally fun. But a good 440 that is heat treated is all and good. My Buck 119 for example has been around me for close to thirty years now. Still going strong and it is a properly heat treated 440. That knife has been beaten and abused.

Like I said... chasing the perfect steel is fun. But a good cheap knife that is well made ain't bad either.

Look at the GLOCK 78 & 81 series of knives.

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Under $40 new and they're good, strong knives.

But yes, spears are damn good. History has proven that multiple times. But, much like modern handguns vs long guns. Carrying a spear is a pain. Knives are carried due to their convenience. Same reason why handguns are carried daily versus long guns.
 
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