A True Test of a Strider Knife - Need Your Help

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There's been a lengthy thread about warranty, and perhaps as an aside there was discussion about the strength of Strider folders, a much debated topic.

See here:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2955289#post2955289

So I proposed we purchase a Strider folder and have Sal break it on his machine so that various parties can put up or shut up so to speak. Cliff volunteered a Chinook and $100 to get this going, I volunteered $20 and I guess my amazing organizational ability. :p

So here's the deal:

- Purchase one Strider folder new for $350.
- Cliff sends a Chinnook or pays for one.
- We send them both to Sal at Spyderco to break for us ( $100 estimated)
- Shipping $20

Total needed $470

Me - $20
Cliff - $100
Tbrogan - $20
Greg - $30
OwenM - $20
Soa - $20
Oily - $30
UnixDork - $20

We still need $210

That's where you come in. Curious? Have a stake in this? Want some bragging rights? Sick of endless yap about this with no difiniftive answer? Excited about the months of forum entertainment after such a test is done?

Now's you chance. Pledge some money to make this a reality. It's not that hard to do, All we need is around 15 people to kick in $20 and we can make this happen!
 
Well, as interesting as the results may be doesnt Spyderco have a policy against releasing the test results for other companies knives? Not to rain on anyone's parade here, I'd prolly pony up a few dollars too if we had Sal's blessing on this.
 
I got a call in now to Joyce at Spyderco, so hopefully we'll get that info as well as the exact cost.

My understanding is they'll break any knife and send you the results if you pay for the test.
 
Come up with a paypal address after this is a full go and I will chip in $30.

Oily

Edited to add amount.
 
If we get the pledges to make this happen, we can use the passaround paypal address.

Ok I have another pledge already, yeehaw! Oilman would you be willing to give us a figure, so we know where we are?

Also I just called Strider knives to ask which folder was their strongest, though they said the framelock models are traditionally thought of as stronger, the liner locks, usually as thick as ofther framelocks are strong too.

So I say stick with an AR or GB, unless someone(s) wants to put the extra for the more expensive models.
 
While you're at it, you might consider a fund raiser for my brain.

I just don't get the importance of this effort.

Oh I'm still alert enough to see that it is VERY important, but my synapses are failing at the concept of paying to BREAK knives with a MACHINE to determine what we will decide to use to open a box or cut a weenie.

Call me crazy, but call me crazy a buncha times and then please ...GIVE GENEROUSLY....to save me.

:eek: :confused: ;)
 
Shouldn't we send the Strider to Cliff first and see if it will survive his testing and if it does then send it to Sal for breaking? I am entirely certain that Sal can break any folder but I would really like to see the Strider stand up to some "more realistic" abuse before snapping it in two. I would think Cliffs tests would tell most of us much more then a test that would say how many opounds of pressure took to break the lock.

Just my .02
 
Lavan, man you're out there all right. yeah, they'll open your weinies, that's not the point. The point is to:

1) actually test a Strider as no known or published figures exist.
2) Make either Cliff or the Strider fans shut up
3) Because it's FUN and ENTERTAINING!

Geeze, if you wanted common sense whya re ya here! :p
 
I don't think we should bother sending it to Cliff first, because if he gets it to fail, then no one will believe him, at least not the strider fans. Then there will be endless discussion about how his technique is or isn't valid. That will answer nothing really. Plus canadiens customs will confiscte it anyway so it would never get there.

The point is to do a straight up test, very simple, how much force does it take to break it?
 
I'm as curious as anybody, and if Sal's willing you can put me down for $20 as long as Strider is not going to be asked for a replacement (which was mentioned in the other thread).
I will have no part in that.
 
Owen that's an excellent point, since we are setting our to break it, and it's certain we can with a machine, it would not be fare to ask for a replacement.
I'm totally in agreement.
 
OwenM said:
I'm as curious as anybody, and if Sal's willing you can put me down for $20 as long as Strider is not going to be asked for a replacement (which was mentioned in the other thread).
I will have no part in that.
Click to expand...

I agree. No replacement for something that will be intentionally destroyed in the learning process. It's unfair to Strider to ask them to replace it.

Oily
 
I'll go $20 (I have Spydercos and have thought about Striders, so it's... err expensive window shopping)
 
They have made lots of claims about strength and extreme use folders.

Ask them directly if they actually will promote their knife as being stronger than the Spyderco's as their fan base constantly does. Spyderco will publish lock strengths on their folders, or used to anyway, so cite these.

Note as well that the biggest problem with liners and integrals is side torques causing the lock to release, ask Sal if it isn't possible to look at this, as under this mechanism the strength of the folders drops to next to nothing. This isn't a problem with compression or back locks.

As for shutting me up, no chance of that. However if their folders are actually more durable than the Chinook II I looked at recently then I'll buy one myself right now. So if they make that claim I'll do my own test as well.

-Cliff
 
I was asked this in email, I'll mention it here, it is definitaly NOT my intent to start any kind of cross forum flame war. Nor is it my intent to confront, chastise or pick on anyone. I'm not going to ask anyone to make claims about anything.

With just a handful of people helping we can run this simple test, I'll leave the debaters, arguers, troll duties, conclusion drawers to others.
 
Benchmade has advertised the results of their model 520 at 800+ pounds.
Does anyone know of other knives whose results have been made public?
Any knife can be broken, so as interesting as the lock test is, it would help to be able to compare as many makes/models/lock types as possible, along with a little detail, such as physical dimensions of the Striders lockbar, etc. so it can be compared to other liner or frame locks. I know this won't be a definitive thing, encompassing all locks of the type, but it would at least give us something to go on.
edit: I'm unlikely to break any of my folders locks, regardless of type, but I find the whole thing kind of interesting...
 
DaveH said:
1) actually test a Strider as no known or published figures exist.
Click to expand...

Actually a GB was tested to breaking point (well one of them broke anyway) against a ER in the latest issue of Messer magazine. All the figures are listed, as one can expect from the Germans....

And there's a transcript with pics of that issue on another forum.

That said I don't know how the steel+G10 Chinook would compare to the aluminium ER.

sigh.... if I only had some money on my credit card.
 
If somebody wants to pull the figures for the other test that's fine, but then we'd have to compare the chinook numbers too.

( BUT I WANNA BREAK SOMETING!)
 
How about comparing like locks.
AR/GB = Liner
SnG/SMF = Framelock

Spyderco Chinhook II is a lockback.

Your test is flawed at the start.
 
I'll kick in $20. I don't really care how it turns out, but I imagine it will be interesting.
 
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