A VERY Ugly Smoky Mountain KnifeWorks

Buzzbait

Gold Member
Feedback: +3 / =0 / -0
Joined
Feb 25, 2001
Messages
6,706
Well……… I have to say that my recent experiences with Smoky Mountain Knifeworks have been extremely ugly.

I tried ordering some knives three weeks ago. As usual, the site was outrageously slow. I got as far as the “submit order” button, but it timed out continuously. I naturally gave up and tried again the next night. The site was still slow, but the order went through, and I received a confirmation email. I then received my attempted order, as well as the confirmed order, a few days later. Smoky really needs to address their web site problems. It’s getting almost completely unusable, and very annoying.

Now here’s the big one. I also placed an order last week. Smoky’s web site showed a gorgeous Camillus Cartridge Series barlow pattern slipjoint, complete with single bolster and lanyard hole, for $39.99. I showed the picture to my father, and he wanted one also. So I ordered two of them and waited impatiently for the knives to arrive. The knives arrived a couple days later, but they were not the knives pictured on the web site. They were dual bolster equal ends, not even remotely resembling the knife pictured on the web site. I called customer service at 3:00 EST to straighten the problem out. The service rep said that she had no idea what the web site looked like, and told me that she could not help me. She told me I’d need to talk to the “web site guy” named John. So I told her to put him on the phone. She then told me that he, the only person who could help me, was gone for the day, but would be answering email on Saturday. She told me to send him an email, and then talk to him in person on Monday.

So I send the email. I get no response. So I call on Monday. John still isn’t in. So I call on Tuesday. John still isn’t in. But this time I get another gal who says that she can help me. I tell her the story from the beginning, and I’m not exactly a happy camper at this point. She has a web browser and confirms that the knives I received are not the ones advertised. She does some stock checking and tells me that the advertised knife is from a different series costing $135.00, and that she’s be happy to charge me the full $135.00 per knife. The whole thing stunk like “bait and switch“ at this point. I told her that they were advertising the barlow pattern knife for $30.00, and that I paid the $39.99 for each of the two knives I purchased. I wanted an even exchange, so I received the knives they were advertising for $39.99. I’m not a hard a$$ or anything, but this had been drawn out for a very long time with little help from Smoky. Anyways, she told me that she couldn’t authorize an even swap of knives, and I’d have to call back the next day. Yes, you read that correctly; yet another day.

So I call back yesterday. She tells me that I’m bumming and I’ll have to pay $270.00 if I want the knives they were advertising for $39.99 each. She said that they had a policy clause on their web site, which states that no matter how bad they screw up and misrepresent their advertised products, that it’s the customer’s problem and not theirs. They are in no way liable for anything they advertise which is not true. This is the kind of company that Smoky Mountain Knifeworks is. They basically believe that they can write a few words on a web site that legally allows them to “bait and switch” people.

Well…. You guessed it. I did not jump on the $270.00 offer. I demanded that they refund my order and pay for the shipping back to them. She agreed and told me to have a lovely day. I said that I would when I placed an order with an honest knife company.

I’ll be contacting the Attorney Generals Office tomorrow. This is lies and deception on the part of Smoky Mountain, using their customer support to squeeze more money from their customers.

Shame on Smoky Mountain. Stay clear of them; or at least don't believe what they advertise.
 
Buzz, what you have posted as happening really sucks. It doesn't sound like the SMKW I have dealt with and visited for the last 15 years. I don't doubt what you're saying, I wonder if they've gone under new management or personnel change. I would bet if you contact Jason Cadden at their 800 number or email him at: jcadden@smkw.com, I bet he will try to make things right with you.
Sorry to hear about these problems,
Dave
 
The key is what ever happened to the saying the "customer is always right?" Is the economy and especially the knife and sporting goods business so lucrative now that the Customer can "always be wrong or just go to hell?" Seems that our folks on the selling side, NOT ALL of course, but those that seem to rack complaints need to remember that without happy consumers, they are filing chapter 11 because we have all gone to the guy that bends over backwards to keep us happy!!! That is a true Businessman and a guy who will make the bucks in the end......wolf
 
Wolfman you are just not up to date. In business over the last few years the credo has been "GROW OR DIE" . When the co. is small everyone works hard to make sales. Usually the smaller the company the harder each person works. As the co. grows we get into "company policy"This provides aninsulated blanket between "management " and the sales force. Soon the "Customer Service " gets caught between "COMPANY POLICY" and "Common Sense" .These people have no athority ,can make no changes and can only refer you up the ladder to the next level that doesn't want to deal wityh you and doesn't care if you are a happy customer or not. Unless you can get to someone high up in the company {chances arn't to good }You just get your blood preasure up. In this PC world they lie but if you call them on it they tell you they don't have to be subjected to your abuse. At this point you can post and vent on forums.
 
I've never had problems like this with Smoky, ever, and I've probably sent several of their employees' children through college. The web site is atrociously slow and sometimes fails to work at all, however.
 
What SMKW's did is obviously unfair,and I totally understand your frustration,however I am curious as to why you are going to contact the attorney generals office.Not being a smarta@# but what do you hope to achieve?
 
Berk, maybe I am NOT up to date, but having recently gone thru a four Month WAR with Circuit City over an extended warranty on a four days short of the five year warranty, I can tell ya that nobody gave a flying F*** what I said, what I felt, what the LEGAL issue was, the CONTRACTED agreement and if I ever shopped there again. After four months of BullSH*T, I finally got up the Corporate ladder into the executive level. NO CLUE BERK, NOT a freakin clue. Why is it that they are stressed over their JOB, PENSION, STOCKS, OPTIONS, PARACHUTE, BENE-FITS, consumers spending MONEY!!!!!. so piss me off, BFD, but watch my letters to the editor of EVERY Newspaper, now all reachable via the NET. Read my venomous opinion of Circuit City, all SUPPORTED by FACTS and EVIDENCE. Now how are ya gonna draw sukers, oops I mean consumers to buy the hi-end stuff. BY YOUR REPUTATION, The CUSTOMER, Yup, he/she MUST always be right or you, the Exec will surely feel it hard and never see it coming if THEY forget who number one is. THE LITTLE PEOPLE who slap down the cash for those goodies that maufacturers manufacture and distributors distribute and Point of sale folks sell to WHO? US!!!!!
So do not get a snake, I mean lawyer, get absolutely drooling mad, go nucking futs on the lower Managers and then ride all the way to the top and keep blasting those seven-figured Type "A", in need of Xanax ASAP Execs who upon "thinking" you just might expose them as TROLLS, SH*T right into their 3 thousand dollar suit pants and start screaming NEW POLICY. And that is: SHUT this Man UP, Give him what he wants NOW!!!!!!! It does still work.....Sorry, for the long post.
wolf
 
Lordy wolfmann601, I'm not quite sure what you have said there, but there are at least a few entities I wish I could inflict you upon...we could start with the Post Office..:)
 
marsupial - Why contact the Attorney General's Office? "Bait and switch" is illegal, even if you write it into your company policy as being okay. That's like having a company policy that you shoot complaining customers. It may be your official policy, but that doesn't make it legal to do so. What Smoky Mountain did was wrong, whether it violates their official policy or not.

I will mention that I emailed a link to this discussion over to Jason Cadden of Smoky Mountain last week. He sent me back an email last weekend, stating that he’d talk to the collectibles department about at least exchanging one of the knives for the advertised ones. I have yet to hear the results of his attempt. I’ll make sure to post up his results at resolving the situation.

And in contrast to Smoky Mountain… I’ve been searching for an ATS-34 Robeson wharncliffe half-whittler. I contacted the Queen Cutlery Collector’s Club, as well some stores advertising the knife. Most stores and the club told me that they were out of this knife and that they’d been discontinued. I emailed Bruce at Bullman Cutlery and asked if he had any. Bruce went far out of his way to source 3 Robeson knives I was looking for, never taking more than a couple hours to reply to my questions. These replies were even during non-business hours, which is much more convenient for me. And to top it off, he’ll have the knives for me within a week of ordering. His communication and willingness to please a customer has gone far above my needs or expectations. All knife stores would do well to follow Bruce’s example. He’s a fine man who genuinely cares about pleasing his customers. My experience with Bullman Cutlery has been extraordinary to say the least.
 
Back
Top