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Which steel is tougher A8 Tool Steel or CPM 3V?
Which one has better edge retention?
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Which one has better edge retention?
Thanks! :thumbup:
Hypothetically, in what situation would you need a knife steel tougher than CPM 3V?
If a steel like A2 is not tough enough, you would want a big toughness upgrade like 5160 or S5, rather than moderate toughness upgrade like 3V.
It could be for a couple reason. I would bet that whoever tested the a2 tempered into the range where tempered martensite embrittlement starts to occur.The data for A2 toughness analysis doesn't make any sence. Typically the chirpy impact numbers go up as the hardness goes down. Which makes sence, as the steel becomes harder and more brittle. These numbers look more what you would expect from tensile test. In that instance the harder the steel gets the more force it takes to tare the metal apart resulting in much higher forces.
A2 is going to be right on the limit of alloying for TME so that would be my vote.It could be for a couple reason. I would bet that whoever tested the a2 tempered into the range where tempered martensite embrittlement starts to occur.
That or they may have went too hot when austenizing on those two. Possibly both. Without having the heat treatment temperatures they used we can't be certain.
The data for A2 toughness analysis doesn't make any sence. Typically the chirpy impact numbers go up as the hardness goes down. Which makes sence, as the steel becomes harder and more brittle. These numbers look more what you would expect from tensile test. In that instance the harder the steel gets the more force it takes to tare the metal apart resulting in much higher forces.
How tough is 5160, tougher than 3V?
Hypothetically, in what situation would you need a knife steel tougher than CPM 3V?
If a steel like A2 is not tough enough, you would want a big toughness upgrade like 5160 or S5, rather than moderate toughness upgrade like 3V.
What datasheets use transverse toughness!? You obviously do know what you are talking about. I can tell that!Never used A8 naked but make sure you guys are checking how the Charpy testing is done. Some datasheets list transverse toughness, some list longitudinal which is. More common in the steel industry but not exactly the most pertinent for knives. (It's usually a transverse break, aka the smallest cross section). There's.. yield and ultimate strength. The way I usually explain it, yield is when it will bend and return to true. Exceeding that, is actual plastic deformation which is into the "ultimate" area and the end of that would be of course the break. I'll stay out of the weeds!
A2 is going to be right on the limit of alloying for TME so that would be my vote.
That's.. not exactly true. Tempering is a lot more complicated than just.. Heat to soften. Micro carbide reabsorption, solid-solid phase changes..etc. I said I'd stay out of the weeds!
Yes it is but ingot not PM, more carbon, vanadium. Molybdenum (hardenability and pitting resistance but A LOT..). I prefer heat treating 3V personally.
S5 > S7 in toughness but S7 should be plenty for anything. I'm wondering the same thing here. I think most people forget that.. 5160 is still what? 97+% iron? Steel is steel guys, it's known to be tough and all of this is relative.