AAAAARGH ! RUST.

Meako we had a fellow at Canal Street Cutlery who was a top notch sharpener but every time we had a run of carbon steel knives he wasn't allowed to go near them. It only took a day for his fingerprints to be etched into the steel and less than a week for the blades to rust. It was phenomenal. It had something to do with a stronger than normal concentration of salt or acid in his sweat, a rather uncommon occurrence but not exactly super rare. Didn't happen with anyone else there but since then I've heard the same issues from a few other folks. A wipe down after handling with a damp rag and then a dry one after handling usually alleviates the problem.

Good luck on the cleanup. Some fine steel wool or a fine scotch brite pad might just do the trick.

Eric
 
Sack-ups for storing knives. You get some air flow but no rust. Don't keep them in a sealed container.
I have more then a few pocket knives from the 1930-40's and newer in Sack-ups that have been unattended for years that never developed rust.
Keep celluloid scaled knives outside of their box in an open area (closet shelf) and apart from each other.
wipe your blades down before storing them.
Conditions here in East Tennessee are far from being arid.
Greg
 
rostfrei......😁

controlling rh is huge. not sure where youre storing, but if in basements, garages and such horrible idear. theyre almost always wet, dehumidifier or not. more than folks realize doesnt take a lot to start rust and corrosion on carbon steels.

in the ac isn't as great as folks think. ac only runs by temp. even 2 speeds and inverter systems still run on temp and just run a slower speed and overcool to remove moisture and latent and its only being tracked by tstats and sensors setup for it...and it its even wired correctly to do it. my point is ya still need to do protective maintenance on them.

I see ya live near salt water region...salt air eats everything up on and near coastlines here.....cant imagine its much different there. what are you using to protect your knives oils, waxes, silicone, something like that?
 
It appears to me that it is only on the finger and thumb prints and the rest doesn’t look oxidized. Could be someone unknowingly had some kind of chemical on their fingers and used it.

I had a misfortune some years ago with an accidental spill of chlorine bleach on top of the washing machine, I thought I had cleaned up and rinsed it. I had my Buck 110 with cpm 154 blade nearby on the counter top. I used it a while later not thinking and put it away. The next day it had those kind of blackish thumb and finger prints on the blade. I was able to get most of it off using some mothers mag polish but it had a couple small black pepper spots that were almost pitted. The only thing I could think of was that chlorine bleach residue was on my fingers.
 
It appears to me that it is only on the finger and thumb prints and the rest doesn’t look oxidized. Could be someone unknowingly had some kind of chemical on their fingers and used it.

I had a misfortune some years ago with an accidental spill of chlorine bleach on top of the washing machine, I thought I had cleaned up and rinsed it. I had my Buck 110 with cpm 154 blade nearby on the counter top. I used it a while later not thinking and put it away. The next day it had those kind of blackish thumb and finger prints on the blade. I was able to get most of it off using some mothers mag polish but it had a couple small black pepper spots that were almost pitted. The only thing I could think of was that chlorine bleach residue was on my fingers.
good call Les. it does appear its where fingers touched the blades.
 
I'm very sure it is as we discussed earlier on page one, which is whats coming from your hands Meako matey.

As we discussed with what Sweat contains and how it effects metals, in the Car Painting scene we use different solvents / cleaners for different purposes, obviously the game changed when waterborne paints came onto the scene.

Solvents like High-Strength Degreasers, Silicone removers DO NOT remove fingerprints or I should say more correctly the body fats, sweat/ salts all within the fingerprint residue, nor will protective oils for metals. (think of contaminants sitting under the layer of oil).

In our industry - because of the very same reasons we use both silicone removers to remove any possible silicone and other surface contaminants but we also use a water borne antistatic cleaner that also has a touch of IPA in the mix - water being the important player here along with a few other goodies, this is the one that removes the body oils/ salts from finger print residue, I have demonstrated this many times and it surprises most people just how Silicone removers do not remove this contamination - it is proven to the point that this is written into processes of the refinish systems.

Meako- what I also started noticing was inside the nail nicks, we have to care for this area as well matey, how many times has a knife enthusiast seen carbon spots/ rust around a nail nick, because it sits in the nail nick and then starts from there, I see this a lot.

After a maintenance check of my knives (I have to with the ambient conditions here), I use Johnsons Baby Oil (Mineral Oil) in the joints and work the blades, punches etc so the oil travels down alongside the Spring/s.
I then use a car-painting product which is a mixture of Meths and Water that I use now - this takes care of the residue from my finger prints, wiping on with a damp micro-fiber cloth that has the Meths and Water, I then use another cloth to dry.
I then Ren Wax all my blades including the Stainless.

I have been heart broken like you my friend earlier on with this very problem.
On my mint knives, I use gloves because of the very reason we have just discussed as its a necessity.

It's a bloody hassle, but with my hands and where I live - there is no other way.

I also explain this to people before when asking permission to handle their knives - especially at knife shows or viewing a mates knives.

Just to go further with the Human finger print residue.......

Back in the earlier days, this was early 1990's, I shifted my business to another premises, I purchased a brand new Bake Oven , and was moving forward, what we did not have in those days were educated Tech Reps who supported businesses like we do the extreme these days, so we learnt through a lot of mistakes and by going to the odd course etc.
Well, we weren't educated about this very thing - finger print residue! Nobody wore gloves those days, it was almost unheard of.

We used to do a lot of back to metal high-end repaints and the phone rang one day... a customer was telling me about some tiny bubbles, this was a vehicle that we stripped to metal.... yep you know whats coming up don't you! 😲💸

I asked for the car to come in and I just about fell over - there were exact palm prints in the tiniest of bubbles where one had leant on the pillar of the car during the final silicone wiping on wiping off - and boy we used to not miss a inch when doing the final degrease, the contamination was in-between the Primer and Topcoats - these were quite costly repaints and quite costly rectification I can tell you! :eek:

So, that was our lesson into the introduction of the MUST in wearing rubber gloves during our job, and here's the thing Meako, like anything, when these first experiences happen- they can be catastrophic and we then earn how to avoid it happening again- once we learn how and why of course. We then fix everything up and move on with new processes to avoid such happenings again in the future.
The weird thing is it never used to happen until it did, and this is exactly where you are finding yourself now Meako- and it sucks to see you going through this.

Good luck my friend!
 
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Heya Meako
Sorry about the rave previous post, it's a work thing, when helping the tradesperson it's getting them to understand the reasons why they have to do certain things, not just simply telling them- they don't learn that way, and I must stress that not that I am trying to tell you or that you have to learn, I simply have to do that whole process over here or it gets out of hand.

For example, I took out my modern production Harness Jacks the other night after a post really enthused me, and yep.... there were tiny little specs starting here and there that needed controlling before they really started, and boy will they what! It was only inside a couple of months that I had them out, it's so, so frustrating.
 
The fingerprint theory is of course likely....but...why hasn't it happened to his many other knives before which may have had accidental 'fingering'?

I suspect the cotton lining of the box, must have got some chemical in it that has set off a reaction with the metal and prints ?

Whatever, it's a real bummer 😱

Maybe it's a conspiracy.... Ask the Glimmer Twins :D


These days of course, it won't be 'some little jerk in the FBI keeping papers on me six feet high' but 6 Gigabytes
That album cover does look like something out of another 'File'.....

Then there's STICKY FINGERS :cool:
 
We used to do a trick with our machinists tool chests. a small sheet or piece of zinc in the drawer. Zinc acts as a sacrificial anode.
 
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