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i have a gen5 (005EKSLE) made by bos 154-cm,serial no. is 040/500
but i met a same one made by bos cpm154,serial no. is 186/500

i thought it is improper in same model.

why does buck do this ?


-----sorry, i am wrong , my gen5 is 033/500 , not 040/500.
 
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I have a question for you. Did you actually see the cpm154 on the #186 knife, or was it in a written description?

The reason I ask is that I have seen folks get that wrong before when they write up a description.
 
Good Question... I wish I could help... I do that Paul Bos doesn't make knives... Bos only Heat-Treat the blades... I love my Gen 5 ... Any pics??? :D ...
 
My early production 005RW has a CPM154 Bos heat-treated blade - but sadly, that relatively new and reasonably priced variant is gone from this year's 2010 catalog. They offered that blade metal as a custom shop choice earlier for 110s - and it came on the Bass Pro 110 as well as a special run of 192 Vanguards. I don't recall ever seeing 154CM on a Buck blade, although Benchmade and others seem proud of it.

In my admittedly limited use, the CPM154 edged 110 and 192 were as initially sharp as my S30V variants. I cannot compare them with my Benchmade 154CM knifes' initial sharpness - none of them came as sharp as the Bucks. The 154CM seems as much fun to resharpen as my Spyderco S30V Native - my most abused upgrade blade steel EDC. I use a Spyderco Sharpmaker. The Buck S30V & CPM154 knives I have are not yet dulled enough to require resharpening - they seem to hold their edges well.

My problem is, like some others here have expressed over the years, why Buck offers such neat handle choices - with 420HC steel. Sure, it's nice - takes a polish quite well - but for real moola, I want S30V, CPM154, etc.

Stainz
 
First off, 98dao.com.cn is a site in China. CN shout for China, TW short for Taiwan. That should be the first clue. We have been having fun with the other threads and knives sold on the bay.
 
edbeau are you trying to say that it might have a twin out there some where, with the same serial number? :eek: I did notice that the site has a few Buck knives listed. HL
 
Here's the one on the website with the cpm-154 stamp/etch.
Do you think there would be a large enough demand for that particular model to warrant counterfeiting them?
 

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How much of a demand is there for a standard 110? Why does it appear to be coppied? Only time will tell. If I remember right Buck has made serialised knives out of two different steals, could it be that they did not have enough to make all of them, or could it be that someone grabed the wrong steal when cutting them out, and Buck realised the mistake and correctlly stamped the blades, or where they requested that way by the purcaser. Things that make you go hmmmm... HL
 
Well, if you compare the sales numbers of the 110 to the Gen-5, I'll bet there's a huge difference. :D

Haven't I read somewhere that 154-cm and cpm-154 are basiclly the same thing? Or was it some other steel?
 
Plumb 154CM and ATS34 are suppose to be the same steal. 154CM and 154CPM are made by different prosses DM can explain it and a few others on the site. I am just saying you get caught cheating once and I will question what you do until you prove to be trustworthy again, and China has some very strange Buck knives coming from there. I do not think they realise how that will effect them in the long run. HL
 
Plumberdv said:
Haven't I read somewhere that 154-cm and cpm-154 are basiclly the same thing? Or was it some other steel?
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If I understand this correct: They are the same, it's the way they are made; one is smelted, one is compressed heated powder, resulting in a different end result, but it's the same metal.
 
edbeau that is what I thought you where implying, I was just using a little more polite wording. As how and why would Buck make at least two knives with the same serial number? But I think that this thread may be getting out of hand so we should probably wait and hear from some one from Buck on this subject, after all they would know on a style this recent. HL
 
This is part of the OP's original post.

"i have a gen5 (005EKSLE) made by bos 154-cm,serial no. is 040/500
but i met a same one made by bos cpm154,serial no. is 186/500"

"edbeau that is what I thought you where implying, I was just using a little more polite wording. As how and why would Buck make at least two knives with the same serial number?"

OP's not saying that he saw one with the same #186. He has #040 and is questioning the different steel mark on the one marked #186 on that site.

If that web site is selling counterfeit Bucks, someone has done a hell of a job on them. There are several and they all look like the real thing to me. Why would someone copy an knife like the Gen-5 LE and put the wrong steel mark on it? All the others on the site seem to be correct.

One explaination could be that Buck changed and started using blades from the Rosewood handled Gen-5's to finish the run of the Elk LE.

I'm certainly not defending the creators of the outright fraudulent knives, but surely there have to be some honest dealers in China which cater to the real Chinese collectors.
 
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Plumberdv said:
One explaination could be that Buck changed and started using blades from the Rosewood handled Gen-5's to finish the run of the Elk LE.
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:thumbup: This would get my vote as well. It has been done in the past, just like the alpha hunters (in years past) could be had in ATS-34, then switched to 154CM now they are Sandvik.

In my opinion, not that its worth much, CPM154 may be a tad better, but from my use they are almost identical, and if not stamped you would never notice.

ATS-34 and 154cm are not the same steel, Hitachi makes ATS-34 and 154cm is crucible? (Japanese "version" and american "version" of the same steel) :D
 
Hey Plum I clicked on that link and a great big rice bowl jumped me! Kinda freaked me out!
 
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