about infi

Cobalt said:
I think anyway you test you can fudge things. If you swing the blade, you can swing light with one and heavy with the other. And results will be obscured by the unfair tests. Creating a jig that uses a mild steel bar that impacts the edge at the same velocity every time would be best. Regardless of what blade is tested, the bar hits at the same velocity and same force. Unfortunately charpy testing is not very relevant for knife blade geometry. Regardless, I would give overall toughness edge to INFI. I don't believe Delta HT is better than Busse and having seen what Busse's 3V can do, which I didn't think 3V could do ever, my guess is INFI with it's lower Carbon content will be considerably tougher, but will have less edge wear resistance.
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I don’t mean to say the Delta HT is better or worse than Busse’s. Just specialized for different applications. But yeah I agree INFI naturally is a stronger steel through composition.
 
boring said:
我的理解是……现在的Infi和基础系列中推出的更便宜的改良版Infi是一样的，但和最初的Infi不一样。除了制造成本更低之外，其他人应该能看出区别。
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Excuse me, which year is the old version of infi? Which year is the new version? Thanks.
 
When did the basic series come out? I thought the modified infi was made for them to hit a lower price point.
 
boring said:
When did the basic series come out? I thought the modified infi was made for them to hit a lower price point.
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Concurrently with the original series. They were the cheaper option. The only difference, that was known was the lack of nickel and cobalt. And yes, Ive tested Basic 9, BME and FBMLE, and the formula was the same, no cobalt and no Nickel. Slight variations which could be error in reading. If you look at the original performance data for both, there is no doubt the original had slightly higher performance.
 
Clearly, I don’t know if it’s true or not but I’ve read from some pretty credible sources that at some point maybe around 2010-2015 or so INFI changed, not necessarily for the better
 
hmm, well all I know is I have beat the AK 47 from 2005 and a NMFBM from about 2008 mercilessly and have had zero problems.

I have bent the AK almost 90 degrees and came back true
I have chopped lots of wood to bricks to other knives and everything in-between no problem

I have chopped all kinds of things with the NMFBM as well again no problem.

I have Even split bullets fired at the edge both with 22 and 45 ACP FMJ, again no problems

Here is something Rather than speculate on what they are made of, and if M-INFI is "better" than "new INFI" or "old INFI" ..........go use them.
Enjoy the knives
Buy lots of them

I know Cobalt has thrown them and chopped lots of things as well as many others and they sure look happy doing it.

Back when AZ Tim was still in AZ, he would buy almost every knife Busse made and try them out from chopping wood to chopping up cars.
Heck he even chopped through a Railroad tie.
It took him a while but he did it.
He came over to my house, we stripped the coating off and stabbed it through a steel 55 gal drum, and chopped the edge/rim of the drum.

Did we speculate on weather my Basic 9 would do better because of M-INFI over "New INFI" .....nope.
We just had a blast doing it.

As far as Steel goes, I have also abused my SR 1010 War Train and it keeps coming back for more.

I have abused a Elmax Steak Knife and popped wood out of a 2X4 no damage. (which is really pushing the limits on a 1/8" blade, do not recommend)

I took an INFI Skeleton key and drove it through 4 US quarters with no tip damage



If speculating over or even testing the molecular structure of the blade material is your thing..........awesome, have at it.

I think you would have a lot more fun using the knives.

But that is just me, and my perspective :)

That is not someone frowning :)

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This is not frowning it is "looking mean" LOL

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I agreed. Have fun.
But am curious why doesn’t the bossman chime in. I mean why not. ??? Or is part of the mystic the illusion?
 
David Brown said:
hmm, well all I know is I have beat the AK 47 from 2005 and a NMFBM from about 2008 mercilessly and have had zero problems.

I have bent the AK almost 90 degrees and came back true
I have chopped lots of wood to bricks to other knives and everything in-between no problem

I have chopped all kinds of things with the NMFBM as well again no problem.

I have Even split bullets fired at the edge both with 22 and 45 ACP FMJ, again no problems

Here is something Rather than speculate on what they are made of, and if M-INFI is "better" than "new INFI" or "old INFI" ..........go use them.
Enjoy the knives
Buy lots of them

I know Cobalt has thrown them and chopped lots of things as well as many others and they sure look happy doing it.

Back when AZ Tim was still in AZ, he would buy almost every knife Busse made and try them out from chopping wood to chopping up cars.
Heck he even chopped through a Railroad tie.
It took him a while but he did it.
He came over to my house, we stripped the coating off and stabbed it through a steel 55 gal drum, and chopped the edge/rim of the drum.

Did we speculate on weather my Basic 9 would do better because of M-INFI over "New INFI" .....nope.
We just had a blast doing it.

As far as Steel goes, I have also abused my SR 1010 War Train and it keeps coming back for more.

I have abused a Elmax Steak Knife and popped wood out of a 2X4 no damage. (which is really pushing the limits on a 1/8" blade, do not recommend)

I took an INFI Skeleton key and drove it through 4 US quarters with no tip damage



If speculating over or even testing the molecular structure of the blade material is your thing..........awesome, have at it.

I think you would have a lot more fun using the knives.

But that is just me, and my perspective :)

That is not someone frowning :)

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This is not frowning it is "looking mean" LOL

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100% but when u r top dog there is always people trying to bring u down. I trust any busse fixed blade over any other blade and I have broken lots of other brands.

Edited to add that even though you may not like to discuss changes in chemical formulas and HT, those are the reasons why we are here. If Busse had just used 1095 steel, this forum wouldn't exist or it would be a one post a month forum. So these discussions keep this forum entertaining and interesting. I believe we can go out and use our knives and discuss technical data. For they are related. What we don't want is this forum becoming an advertising and sales forum with no other discussions. This has happened in other forums with sad and negative results.
 
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Cobalt said:
100% but when u r top dog there is always people trying to bring u down. I trust any busse fixed blade over any other blade and I have broken lots of other brands.

Edited to add that even though you may not like to discuss changes in chemical formulas and HT, those are the reasons why we are here. If Busse had just used 1095 steel, this forum wouldn't exist or it would be a one post a month forum. So these discussions keep this forum entertaining and interesting. I believe we can go out and use our knives and discuss technical data. For they are related. What we don't want is this forum becoming an advertising and sales forum with no other discussions. This has happened in other forums with sad and negative results.
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Totally get that.

and absolutely, discussion is great

Knowledge is power

I love the information that has been found out and proven.

That is why I did say ;

David Brown said:
If speculating over or even testing the molecular structure of the blade material is your thing..........awesome, have at it.
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speculate all you want.

Post results please.

It does make the forum fun.

when it becomes arguing, that's not really fun for anyone.

By the way I am not starting an argument, that was not my intention.

I am just saying .............USE them and find out that way. (not directed at any one person or persons )
 
David Brown said:
Totally get that.

and absolutely, discussion is great

Knowledge is power

I love the information that has been found out and proven.

That is why I did say ;



speculate all you want.

Post results please.

It does make the forum fun.

when it becomes arguing, that's not really fun for anyone.

By the way I am not starting an argument, that was not my intention.

I am just saying .............USE them and find out that way. (not directed at any one person or persons )
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Yeah, I have posted the data in the past. Actual testing. Others have as well. It's all out there. So when I say what I say it's from proof not speculation. And I agree that there is no room for insults. But no one in this forum ever does that. It's usually other social media sites that degrade to that.
 
You can just beat the livin shit out of it & its just stays so sharp.....not to mention how hard it bites & how devastating it is.
The hardest part imo, about INFI/Busse is actually putting them to use!
They're so freakin nice! Its a real psychological battle - especially with Custom Shop or LE blades
So glad I didn't hesitate using this Fusion Battle Saw LE
Its just incredible
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MacLaren1 said:
You can just beat the livin shit out of it & its just stays so sharp.....not to mention how hard it bites & how devastating it is.
The hardest part imo, about INFI/Busse is actually putting them to use!
They're so freakin nice! Its a real psychological battle - especially with Custom Shop or LE blades
So glad I didn't hesitate using this Fusion Battle Saw LE
Its just incredible
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I had a NMFBMLE years ago and chopped a small tree down. Was unused before that but I swear it got sharper after using it.
Wish I hadn’t sold it.
 
0721 said:
I had a NMFBMLE years ago and chopped a small tree down. Was unused before that but I swear it got sharper after using it.
Wish I hadn’t sold it.
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I know, right! 😎
Once ya get into a little bit.....
 
Great discussion my friends!

The following was lifted from a sticky I wrote at the top of this forum.

We are the world leader in extreme performance knives. Always have been. . . Always will be. . . That is why we still stand as the only knife manufacturer to have backed up our performance claims with "LIVE" demonstrations at knife and gun shows throughout the years.

Has the analysis of INFI changed over the years? Yes, but the baseline performance that it must live up to, in order to be called INFI, has not. Just like the change in analysis, our heat-treat protocol has also been modified and perfected. When we first introduced INFI in 1998 we made a crazy high claim of being able to cut 1,280 pieces of 1" diameter hemp rope! We did a "LIVE" performance test at the BLADE Show that year with a slightly modified analysis that we called Modified INFI and coupled that with a modified heat-treat protocol. We more than doubled the number of pieces of 1" hemp rope we cut to 2,771 pieces. Later in 1999 we cut over 3,100 pcs of 1" hemp rope in a "LIVE" Demo at a gun show in Tennessee. These same knives were then put in vises and bent past 70 degrees without breaking. We just broke our own world record by cutting over 3,700 pieces of 1" Hemp rope in an unedited video on youtube

Much the same can be said about SR-101. We started with a slightly modified 52100 steel and migrated to a steel with a lower carbon content and greater toughness. Thanks to our ever-evolving heat-treat protocol we were able to maintain our standards for edge retention. This increase in performance left us with a difficult decision. Do we continue to use the tons of 52100 steel that we had already purchased or do we switch over to this tougher grade of SR-101? From a business point of view, it would only make sense to use up the 52100 before switching over, but that is not what we did! We switched over immediately. We shelved the remaining 21,000+ lbs of 52100 and went with the tougher grade. Feel free to check the price of 52100 per lb. and you will see that we are, obviously, addicted to knife performance way more than money!!! If there is a better overall steel than INFI for the attributes that we deem the most important, then we will switch over to that grade of steel. We try nearly every grade of steel that comes out as we continue this quest.

If any manufacturer is willing to prove their performance claims in front of a "LIVE" audience, as we did, then they have earned the right to make those claims. Here's the caveat. The tests that prove these claims must be performed by the manufacturer and not some third party who has nothing to lose.

In more than 28 years, we are the only manufacturer to have done these "LIVE" tests.

So, you, as the customer, can rest assured that we are never satisfied and will continue to push the performance envelope every chance we get.

Let's Drink!

Jerry
 
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