Above the law, natural rights

It is sort of amusing to see that California was automatically named as the state in question. I did say "sort of".
Greg
 
Amusing but not surprising. I remember a watchdog group that used to say that what CA. does is soon followed by CT. and NJ
For the most part it's true
 
Well heres my ideas i guess. I dont think edged weapons will reach a level of being baned i really just dont see it because knifes are seen so much more as tools than guns are. As far as natural rights, when people form a government the idea is basically, that you give up some rights inorder for a type of protection, i forfit my natural right to kill a man just because i can, because in a sence i am entered in a contract with a the government that says that i give up that right, the government however has to protect me and give me means of retrobution when wronged. Or at least thats a really simple take of it. Personally not a big fan of government. If it comes to certain situations i would break the laws set by government and i would be punished by government for breaking that contract. There is a time however where government can be wrong then they broke the contract and we punish them and form a new system. thats the idea. When the government takes guns it takes the ability of the people to rebel against it. Oh well i'm thinking too much.
In my eyes it boils down to this.
Ban guns. Make the streets safe for government takeover.
 
Originally posted by mnblade
I believe I have a natural right to hope some mod moves this over to the political forum, where it belongs. :grumpy:
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Boy somebody woke up with their shorts in a twist.
Or someone is a huge pedant(sp?) :rolleyes:

Anyway...
Is there a time when I would go against the LAW to do what I felt was my right, or what best ensured the security of myself or my family?
Damn straight.
I even have, sorta, by carrying knives, etc. I am not allowed by law to carry, when I felt I should.

Law for me is real basic, like the Ten Commandments or the Wiccan Rede, or the Constitution. Short, and to the point. Not millions of sheets of paper,t elling us how we can or cant wipe our own butts.
Anything beyond that I view as useless and a waste of time and taxpayer money and will disobey if I feel the need to. (Although more often than not, its not worth going to jail over.)


Like was said... Despite the laws, outlaws will always have what was "banned", but not all outlaws are bad.
 
Self preservation and self protection are the most natural rights I know of. To expect anyone to be in a position to guarantee your self protection and preservation is an "ideal" but very far from reality.

If someone kicks in your front door at 0300, you should call 911 so that Law Enforcement can react to this action. However, unless the responding Officer is parked in front of your house, you are on your own, even for only three minutes.

If you own an unregistered gun, would you even bother to consider the legal consquences of using it? What about your wife and children frozen in fear? Do you truly care about "written Law", or does application of "Natural Laws" impact your ability to survive.

I can see many Prosecutors taking something as anal as a truly fine American citizen using an "illegal" firearm to protect his family's life and dump a hundred grand into prosecution. While a State Like connecticut could seat a Grand Jury capable of an Indictment, I would hope they could not find a Jury of 12 to convict. Most experienced LEO's respect a Good Citizen's ABSOLUTE right to keep his family safe, and know that when someone invades your home while it is occupied, only evil and horrible things happen. If it were not for what Tom characterized as "natural rights", LE would probably still be investigating a crime involving serious bodily injury or death and it won't be the scumbag that lose, it will be you and your family.

The old cliche'; rather be tried by 12 than carried by six is the basis for natural law. In this great land of ours the police are not designed to keep us safe 100% of the time. They are designed to respond to our need for help after getting the call100% of the time and have a miserable history of being on scene within the first 30 seconds. By the time they arrive, it is customarily TOOOOOOO LATE!!!!

You must either fend for yourself or put all your faith in a flawed system
 
Originally posted by mnblade
I believe I have a natural right to hope some mod moves this over to the political forum, where it belongs. :grumpy:
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Thank you, mnblade. That is where this belongs, not that I disagree with what roshi says, I agree with him. I only wonder if the folks who recommend the civil disobedience of not registering their "assault weapons"(sic) have any idea of what they are doing and of the company into which they are placing themselves. Civil disobedience is a long-standing form of protest against illegal or improper laws and it works by holding the law up for all to see how wrong it is. In order for this to occur, those who disobey the law must be prepared to face the consequences of their disobedience, as have War Tax Protestors, Civil Rights Demonstrators, Voting Rights Advocates, and Union Organizers throughout America's history. You do put yourselves in fascinating company when you start down the road of civil disobedience.
 
I don't know. Washington, Jefferson and Adams can probably answer the question very comprehensively. In the mean time I have a question for some of our lawmakers:
I say (in a muffled voice), "Douche-bag say what?".
They say, "What?".
I say, "Exactly".
 
Originally posted by BigDeeeeeeee
When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
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When guns are outlawed, only outlaws and Law Enforcerment will have guns.

This is the way it should be. Normal people don't kill each other or fantasize about a forming a militia to overthrow the U.S goverment, that's terrorism talk if ask me. If you want shoot deer, go right ahead, but don't muck around with the U.S, you will get your a$$ kicked. I love America. I love voting. I really like weapons, but I wish we didn't need them. There nothing better than when a man gives his open hand, out of respect & honor.
 
Originally posted by TomW

Could thewre be a time where knife laws progress and you could see yourself putting your NATURAL rights above the law?
Or do you believe there is no such thing as a natural right and the law is the law?
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Natural rights are above any law the Communists or any other bastards wish to subject us to. Anyonw writing, voting for, or enforcing such laws are traitors to the Bill of Rights. When the laws get very bad it will be time to feed the hogs.
 
yrs ago when permits for guns were not available in my state, my wife and i both carried pistols because we lived in a crack infested sorry a$$ area, she carried a raven .25, me a walther PPK .32, never got caught, nor had need for the weapons (well, not really, thats another story, LMFAO) but it sure felt good to have them at 1AM going to the stop and rob.

if any legal probs, intended to call my cousin, an atty, and try to BS my way thru it, but was willing to pay a price if need be , i was gonna carry, period end, law be damned.

of course all irrelevent now, moved, have permits we dont really need, but we both still carry.........just legally now.

greg
 
HotSwat:
"...only outlaws and Law Enforcement will have guns. This is the way it should be."

I think you're way off base on that point of view.
If someone breaks in to my home in the middle of the night and decides to shoot me and rape my wife, I suppose I should just dial 911 and wait.
We can all take comfort in the knowledge that the criminal will surely be caught and punished for his action--of course, I would be dead and my wife's psyche and her life would be in shreds...

I have the utmost respect for our police, but let's face the facts that they can't be everywhere, all of the time.
A society does not rely on law enforcement officers alone to maintain the peace. Armed law-abiding citizens are the first line of defence against crime.

Allen.
 
I do what I feel is right. If I feel something is the right thing to do then I do it, if I feel something is wrong I don't do it. Although some things that I feel right just happen to be wrong in the eyes of the law. For example if someone threatens my family I feel it's right to defend them in any way shape or form, but in some cases the means may be considered wrong in the eyes of the law. There are alot of laws that make no sense or are useless in this day and age, in fact in my hometown theres a law still on the books that allows shooting indians if there is more then 5 males and no women or children with them (this was considered a war party). I guess this is considered right by the law makers because it's still on the books. In Texas it's legal to ride a motorcycle without eye protection but they want you to carry medical ins. to ride without a helmet. I have a better chance of being hit by something in the eye and blinded (this is almost a garuntee) then gettin in a wreck. It makes no sense to me. But it's just one guys opinion
 
Originally posted by HotSwat
When guns are outlawed, only outlaws and Law Enforcerment will have guns.

This is the way it should be. Normal people don't kill each other or fantasize about a forming a militia to overthrow the U.S goverment, that's terrorism talk if ask me. If you want shoot deer, go right ahead, but don't muck around with the U.S, you will get your a$$ kicked. I love America. I love voting. I really like weapons, but I wish we didn't need them. There nothing better than when a man gives his open hand, out of respect & honor.
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You are a walking contradiction my man. On the one hand you say you love America but then on the other you imply that those that would even "fantasize" about forming a militia and overthrowing the government are terrorist. So you think Washington, Jefferson, Adams, etc. were terrorists? These terrorists bought your America with blood, sweat, and tears because they refused to bow to tyranny.

HotSwat, I assume by your sign on that you may be an LEO, if so how do you justify your being allowed to carry a weapon while you seem to think that us "normal" people shouldn't? Is my life less important than yours because of your taxpayer supplied paycheck? Bag guys don't just prey on police now do they?
 
Originally posted by HotSwat
When guns are outlawed, only outlaws and Law Enforcerment will have guns.

This is the way it should be. Normal people don't kill each other or fantasize about a forming a militia to overthrow the U.S goverment, that's terrorism talk if ask me. If you want shoot deer, go right ahead, but don't muck around with the U.S, you will get your a$$ kicked. I love America. I love voting. I really like weapons, but I wish we didn't need them. There nothing better than when a man gives his open hand, out of respect & honor.
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Wouldn't that make the deer hunters outlaws? No normal people don't kill each other but they do have the right to defend themselves and whats thiers. If someone comes to my house to cause my family harm I sure don't want to have to play peek-a-boo until the cops show up because I lost the ability to keep and bear arms. And I won't ask what someones intentions are breaking into my house.
 
yesterday - "peace officer"
today - "law enforcement"
tomorrow - "storm trooper"

I gurantee it.
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