ABS JS submission knives guards?

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Hey Guys,
I know that the ABS Journeyman Smith Performance Test knife doesn't have to have a separate guard/bolster, but what about the five "fully finished" knives that you have to submit for evaluation? They have to have a separate guard, right? I have been focusing on forging knives with "integral guards".
- Thanks
 
The following is copied/pasted from the ABS JS testing requirments....

SHOW REQUIREMENTS:

The applicant is responsible for presenting the signed ABS test form and the test blade in person at the ABS Annual Show and Meeting. No modification of any sort is to be made to the test blade following the completion of the test. If the applicant cannot attend in person due to special circumstances, the applicant must contact the Chairman of the ABS for permission to have the knives presented for judging. The applicant must submit a minimum of five (5) completed forged knives for judging by a panel of ABS judges. The knives to be judged must be made of plain carbon steel (no Damascus) and may not include folding knives among the 5 completed knives. Also not permissible are hatchets or tomahawks. The knives submitted must be the work of the applicant alone.


Remember that what your showing is your ability to produce knives at the quality level required, AND be capable of creating a basic variety of knife TYPES. I certainly would not present 5 knives that are all the same type/style. (IE: hunters, bowies, fighter, etc) I don't know how many of the larger shows you have attended, but if you are serious about your JS, I highly encourage you to get to some of those shows and see the level of knives that people are making. This will give you a "yardstick" to judge the level of craftsmanship your going to have to achieve in order to pass.

I've judged a number of times at both the JS and MS levels. One of the first questions I ask an individual who does not pass is... "How many other makers did you show your knives to, and how many major shows have you attended within the last 6 months?"
Without exception, every one of them has told me that they did not show their presentation knives to another maker, nor had they attended a single show.

What I'm saying is that if your not aware of whats out there, there is no way you can know where you have to be. Its all about preparing yourself as best you can, and giving yourself the best chance of success.
 
and this:

During the annual judging of both Journeyman Smith and Master Smith applicants, the Board of Judges will use the following guidelines during the formal inspection to evaluate fit, finish, and symmetry of the applicant's knives.

Although the criteria is the same for Journeyman Smith and Master Smith applicants, the judging standards are much more stringent for the Master Smith rating. The overall quality for the Journeyman Smith is in the range of "very good" to "excellent". The quality for the Master Smith is "excellent" to "superlative". The Master Smith knife (European quillion dagger) should be art quality as well as an "art knife". The applicant is cautioned that one substandard knife may result in failure. Therefore, he/she should submit only his/her best work.

DESIGN:

Design can be very subjective, however, it is the objective of the ABS and the applicant to create well-designed knives. A well-designed knife will have the proper amount of material in the blade and handle - neither too much nor too little. It is important to design and construct a knife for the intended end use. The applicant should keep in mind that form follows function.

A knife of good design will be more appealing than an equally well made knife of poor design. The objective must be to make a good knife with good design. The following guidelines should be reflected upon and taken into consideration when designing and constructing a forged knife.

BLADE CONSTRUCTION:

Flatness, bevels, and finishes are to be uniform. Blade surfaces must be free from scratches. Mirror polish, satin, or hand rubbed finishes, are acceptable. A distal taper will provide good balance and feel to the completed knife. Damascus blades must be free of faults (cold shuts) and pits.

GUARD CONSTRUCTION:

The guard must be symmetrical and centered on the blade (side to side). Solder fittings shall be clean and appealing, free from lumps, holes, or voids. The guard should be free from scratches and finished uniformly.

HANDLE CONSTRUCTION:

The handle must be symmetrical and centered on the blade, with even radii on sides and end, clean fit on all matching surfaces with no checks or splits around the pins.

SHAPE/FORM:

A knife is three dimensional. Various lines and shapes show planes of light reflections to the viewer. Convex and concave areas make for exciting shapes. Realistic design should look like a natural object.

PROPORTIONS:

Proportion is the relationship of the sections, areas, spacers, or part of the knife to each other as well as to the handle and blade as a whole. Exact mathematical precision and measurement are not essential. The Knifemaker's eye for proportions, once acquired, remains the best tool for creating a successfully unified knife design.

BALANCE:

There is little trouble in achieving balance when symmetry is used. When opposite sides are close to being identical in weight, balance is achieved. The applicant should remember that aesthetic balance is as important as weight balance from a design standpoint. When a knife feels light in the hand, good balance has been achieved.
 
Thank you Mr. Caffrey, for your response.
I looked at your articles on your web site ref. using 5160 as the steel for the Performance Test knife, and for the edge hardening on same. I'm going to order some steel this weekend. So that's a definite "yes" on the separate guard question, right, Sir?
I'm taking the JS test as serious as a heart attack, and I deeply appreciate the advice that you're giving me. I have some time yet; have to wait until the three year apprentice period is up, but want to be heading in the proper direction.
Thanks again.
- Mitch
 
I see the ABS describes how the guards should be but I dont think they require a guard. I think you better put some on. I made a wide variety for JS and had one in there with an intregral guard and passed. I also had a folder at that time, now I see they no longer accept folders. I think I was the only JS applicant that had all full tang construction too. I should have at least given them some hidden tangs.
If I were you I would take Ed Caffreys advice to the letter. He has actually taught seminars on this very subject. He was and still is my mentor and I made it.
 
Hey Teacher,
Are you reading these posts? It looks like you certainly have your work cut out for you ref. getting me up to speed to pass this test! ;)
 
Thanks Bruce,
I hadn't even considered the issue of full tang vs. hidden tang! What about natural handle material vs. Micarta? Do you think the judges would like that type of variety, as well? Does bribing the judges work? :D
Just kidding....sort of.
 
I had two with carbon fiber scales. I think their favorite is natural materials though. You dont need ivory but it looks so nice. Nice wood is a safe bet.
 
I had two with carbon fiber scales. I think their favorite is natural materials though. You dont need ivory but it looks so nice. Nice wood is a safe bet.
Thanks for the great tips. I am now officially starting to stress. :confused:
 
Try to get your knives ready ahead of time and show them to every MS you can find. If I had any questions about requirements, I would contact BR Hughes. I am not 100 percent sure, but I believe I heard one of the judges say that they liked to see either gaurds or bolsters on at least 4 of the 5 knives. Ed and Bruce will know better than me, but I think BR is still the head JS judge.
 
Try to get your knives ready ahead of time and show them to every MS you can find. If I had any questions about requirements, I would contact BR Hughes. I am not 100 percent sure, but I believe I heard one of the judges say that they liked to see either gaurds or bolsters on at least 4 of the 5 knives. Ed and Bruce will know better than me, but I think BR is still the head JS judge.

Thank you for the reply; yeah...I want to know for sure. Do you know how I can contact Mr. Hughes?
 
I did one integral, one full tang with bolsters, one hidden tang with guard and two folders for my JS.

An integral has a built-in bolster or guard which is fine, just don't bring five of them. The judges want to see variety and absolutely NO damascus anywhere on the JS knives.

It is stressful but worth the effort.
 
I did one integral, one full tang with bolsters, one hidden tang with guard and two folders for my JS.

An integral has a built-in bolster or guard which is fine, just don't bring five of them. The judges want to see variety and absolutely NO damascus anywhere on the JS knives.

It is stressful but worth the effort.
Thanks, Don. Is Damascus strictly forbidden on the JS test because the JS test is about performance?
 
Also,
What steel(s) to use on the five "presentation knives"? Mr. Caffrey advises 5160 for the Performance Test knife, but how about for the other knives? I know the judges want "high carbon". 1084 comes out sweet, but my 1095 comes out real nice, too. (In my humble opinion, of course.) Any recommendations?
- Thanks
 
No damascus or highly etched surfaces because they want to see tight fit and good finish.

You can use any carbon steel for the five knives, doesn't matter.

Good luck,
 
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