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Don't worry, guys, no one has any idea what is going on, except Don. Don demonstrated that he didn't know where Chris was coming from. I informed him. In Don's twisted little world, this is some sort of attack. He not only felt the need to bug you guys with it, but to send me threatening and abusive email.

I'd like nothing more than for Don to just leave me alone, but it seems like he has some sort of bizzarre vendetta against me, for whatever paranoid reason he came up with. I apologize in advance if he causes any more disruptions here, following me around with this foolishness.

--JB

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by e_utopia:
Don't worry, guys, no one has any idea what is going on, except Don. Don demonstrated that he didn't know where Chris was coming from. I informed him. In Don's twisted little world, this is some sort of attack. He not only felt the need to bug you guys with it, but to send me threatening and abusive email.

I'd like nothing more than for Don to just leave me alone, but it seems like he has some sort of bizzarre vendetta against me, for whatever paranoid reason he came up with. I apologize in advance if he causes any more disruptions here, following me around with this foolishness.

--JB

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Excuse me, I simply pointed out to someone in Indonesia that Memorial Day in The United States of America was not solely set aside for Vietnam Vets. That is above and beyond what the original content was Joe.

I was not chastising him, I was clarifying what might have been a miscommunication as to why the thread might not have been "popular." He seemed to think it was because the Vietnam Conflict was unpopular. That was my read on it.

Along comes YOU, I'm not "following you around" you strange-O. I honestly believe that you are having a really fun time with this Joe. I'm not following you around.

There was not "threatening and abusive E-mail," at least no worse than you are capable of dishing out to me, right Joe?

Joe, I can take it and I can give it...

When I decided to touch base with you in Bladechat, privately, the first words out of my mouth were, "It lives!" That was levity Joe, look the word up.

Your first words were, "You ****ing lying freak."

Now Joe, play innocent some more.

For those joining us, in progress, Joe is a wonderful young man.

He calls people, "Wanna be knifefighters" or "Wannabe SEALs" because they choose to carry Emerson Knives, yet, he claims he is an Engineer AND a "Certified" or "Qualified" Psychologist.

He advised me that if I needed a shrink, he was available.

Me thinks you better sit on your own couch Joe...give yourself an inkblot test...

He bitches and calls Emerson Knives "irresponsible" because they did not heed Massachusetts Law regarding folding knives that are designed to be opened on the draw, then he argues that his MICROTECH HALO OUT THE FRONT SWITCHBLADE IS FASTER ANYWAY...

He has a problem, he and I have posted in the Benchmade Forum, I have not picked on him in any way whatsoever. I told him tonight to leave me the hell alone and quit sniping at me with a keyboard...that is the "threatening E-mail" he is referring to.

I did not want to post this, oh, and by the way...other people already know about this and knows that this whole sad spectacle is HIS problem and HIS vendetta.

Not mine.

The "threat" he is referring to is just this, what I posted, his absurdity and nastiness...and make no mistake, when he got nasty with me in that chat, I got nasty right back. Guilty as charged.

But I in no way threatened him at any time in an E-mail except to tell him to back off or this would happen, to leave me alone...

He wants to be left alone, that's fine with me...but I won't be sniped at by a kid who thinks he is a Psychologist or whatever fantasy he is going with tonight, tomorrow or next month.


 
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"And shepards we shall be, for thee my Lord for thee, power hath descended forth from thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out thy command, so we shall flow a river forth to thee, and teeming with souls shall it ever be, En Nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti"
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Cameron,

No, you really don't...sometimes you have to bite the bullet, but this Chap is lying his ass off about who's problem this is.

He comes on all innocent like I am abusing him...I never told him to leave Bladeforums, I never told him not to post where I like to post, etc.

I simply told him not to take personal problems into hidden little snide remarks, slaying a dragon that does not need to be slain.

I told him to take it to E-mail, and we did have an exchange, I told him to piss off and blocked his E-mail.

I told him flat out, I don't have time for kids and that is what he is. A kid and that's all I have to say about it.

Nothing more had to be said, as everyone will notice, I asked him to take it to E-mail, and you can see that above, earlier today. I ended up having to E-mail HIM as he did not want to work anything out, he wanted this exchange in the hope of turning opinion in his favor.

I also considered it OVER at 11:03PM, right?

Earlier, he posted this;

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally by E_Utopia:
"If I was aiming for you, I certainly wouldn't have behaved in the polite manner which I did."</font>

Looks hostile to me.

And as for you Joe, you aim whatever way you want Squirt, savvy?

You're about as tangy as a Tabasco Fart, but not quite so risky.


[This message has been edited by Don Rearic (edited 05-30-2001).]
 
LOL, maybe this thread should be locked.
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I do understand that moderators do have to deal with a lot of sh!t, I certainly wouldn't want to moderate the General forum, I know Paracelsus has been through a lot of sh!t also.

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"And shepards we shall be, for thee my Lord for thee, power hath descended forth from thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out thy command, so we shall flow a river forth to thee, and teeming with souls shall it ever be, En Nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti"
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Don, I would like nothing more than to leave you alone, but I will not sit idly by while you post blatant lies about me and slander my good name.

You say you were 'simply pointing out' something to Chris, just clarifying, and not chastising. I 'simply pointed out' that Chris already knew this piece of information - just clarifying, not chastising. You chose to take my words as an attack.

Don, you can choose to post only some of what you said, leaving out the threats, and say 'look, no threats', but anyone with any sense knows you are lying by ommission, since there was more to what you wrote than what you posted here.

You also know that I have never threatened you. I was adult enough back when I was still in elementary school to know that such idle threats serve no function. I guess you have yet to learn that lesson.

Actually, Don, I told you to leave me alone, in Chat. My exact words (edited, of course) were "**** off." I clearly had no interest in talking to you. You chose to continue pestering me. If you truly had no interest in me, you would have left, right then.

If you can see past your own demented hallucinations, you might have noticed that I attempted to apologize for my words towards the Emerson afficionadoes. I was under a great deal of stress at the time, and immediately afterwards, attempted to set things right. You, however, were not willing to accept the quick end to a potential flame war, in which you got to play 'the hero'. Your actions at that time did more to harm my opinion of the 'Usual Suspects' than anything else before that. I have rarely seen such childishness displayed on BFC, and anyone who's been here for a while knows that we get our fair share of trolls.

The only positive change I've seen in you is that you no longer claim that I was bragging about being an engineer - good change, since you were the one who asked what I did for a living. Of course, I am and engineer, and I worked very hard to become one, so I would have every right to brag, if I chose to, but I did not. I simply informed you what my profession was, in response to your question. I also specifically told you that psychology was a hobby, and I certainly never offered to analyse you - people like you make me sick.

You might remember, though, that I have specifically told you, several times, that I do not carry a Halo. I never even brought the subject up. Ken Cook did. Oh, and if you even care, the Halo is actually faster - ask Ken to forward you the email I sent him.

True, you have not 'picked on me' on Benchmade's forum. I do not attribute this to any maturity on your part - simply the knowledge that Travis would ban you for pulling the kind of stunts which you are pulling, here.

Well, Don, you did ask me to stop 'sniping you with my keyboard' (even though I was not, as stated above), but you did not politely say 'would you please leave me alone' - you made childish threats about what would happen if I ever posted in a thread which you had also posted in.

Yes, Don, other people do already know about this. So far, precisely one person has contacted me in support of you. Many respected members have contacted me to inform me of similar unwarranted attacks made against them.

Don, the only ones who will view you as having 'won' this battle of your own making are those who believe your pathetic lies and innuendo. Notice all the good folks here who have said that they do not see this attack which you do? But, as long as you can continue to imagine it as being there, I guess you will cling to that, so you can continue this, right?

--JB

P.S., real classy in the email - offering proof of what an impressive work history you've had, then blocking your email, so you will never have to provide that proof. Shutting your eyes to the truth doesn't make it go away, Don. Typical....

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I did a little Boo-Boo that might be construed as telling him not to post at times but it was not intended that way...

I went back and read the 2 E-mails I sent him and told him to "avoid my posts."

What I meant and I am guilty of not stating my thoughts correctly, was to avoid doing what he did today when I post. Meaning taking the opportunity to take me to task for something that was not necessary...

I was frustrated. Still am as a matter of fact.

What is really frustrating is that 2 guys like knives, 2 guys have a miscommunication weeks ago...and then we go at it.

There was some bad feelings as to me agreeing with someone in the Emerson Forum that he did not list his E-mail.

The person that said that did not notice it in his Signature Line either. It seems so stupid, and it is, but there is a place for the E-mail link and it is not in the Signature Line and some of the hard feelings came from that right there...

That is unfortunate.

I think in this state of rabid anti-knife, anti-self defense attitudes that I find labeling people "Rambos" or a "Wannabe" this or that incredibly offensive as it is what the opposition does.

When I invited him into the private chat, it was with the full intention of making things right and I am sorry that could not happen that night.

Again, unfortunate.

What I do not apologize for, and will not, is calling a spade a spade in this matter. I believe he was just taking a cheap shot and treating me like I was stupid when there was no need to.

I have interacted in threads where he was present since then, we share many of the same passions...with no problems...

I do apologize for bringing this festering wound to full fruition, however, I knew no other way of settling it once and for all and hopefully, the wound will heal now that it has been drained.

Right Joe?
 
Don: As to your most recent posts, which you made while I was typing:

You told me specifically not to post where you post 'or else'.

If you had wanted to 'take it to email,' you would have emailed me, without ever even posting the request. Instead, you first post an attack, then immediately send me an email, threatening me. If you emailed me, waited for a reply, then posted something, you'd have a case. But you never intended this to be private, and that is proven by the order in which you did things.

You quote me:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">"If I was aiming for you, I certainly wouldn't have behaved in the polite manner which I did."</font>

You imagine that to be hostile, because that it what you want to believe. It is, in fact, exactly the opposite. It is proof that I was not being hostile. Here's a hypothetical example of the difference:

Hostile: 'Don, you're such an idiot - that is not at all what is being discussed'

Non-hostile: 'Don, here's a thread you might want to check out, since you obviously missed what was in the original thread, before it was edited by our moderator'

See the difference? If I wanted to make you look foolish, I could have just stayed neutral and said nothing. Instead, I was trying to help you out.

Guess I'll think twice before offering you and olive branch, in the future.

--JB

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Y'know what, though? This really is my own fault. I offered you an olive branch back in the EKI forum, and you responded with an attack. I should have learned my lesson, then. But, I offered you one, again, and you responded the same way.

I guess I just expected too much adulthood from you, Don. For that, I apologize to all the members here who had to put up with this nonsense.

--JB

[edited because I spelled 'apologize' with only one 'o']

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[This message has been edited by e_utopia (edited 05-30-2001).]
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by e_utopia:
Don, you can choose to post only some of what you said, leaving out the threats, and say 'look, no threats', but anyone with any sense knows you are lying by ommission, since there was more to what you wrote than what you posted here.</font>

For the last time, no one is threatening you Joe. You accuse me of slandering you and you are deliberately putting forth the idea that I am threatening you. I never threatened you in that manner. I did tell you I would win this though, this conflict we are having.


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You also know that I have never threatened you.
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Actually, Don, I told you to leave me alone, in Chat. My exact words (edited, of course) were "**** off." I clearly had no interest in talking to you. You chose to continue pestering me. If you truly had no interest in me, you would have left, right then.
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For those that have not been to Bladechat, there is a private chat function, he could have left at any time and not had to leave the regular chatroom. This took place between Joe and myself, his claim that I should have left a chatroom and that I was pestering him was absurd, HE ANSWERED THE PRIVATE CHAT REQUEST.

Sorry, this is called "a lie" Joe.

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If you can see past your own demented hallucinations, you might have noticed that I attempted to apologize for my words towards the Emerson afficionadoes. I was under a great deal of stress at the time, and immediately afterwards, attempted to set things right.
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And I, in turn, tried to set things right as well Joe in that Private Chat, which you are now distorting into me some how forcing you into a Private Chat when anyone that has used it knows that a Private Chat can simply be ignored, right Joe?

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I also specifically told you that psychology was a hobby, and I certainly never offered to analyse you - people like you make me sick.
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Are you still under this mysterious "stress" you speak of Joe?

I HAVE THE CHAT LOG JOE, YOU SAID IF I NEEDED A SHRINK, YOU WERE AVAILABLE, THIS WAS GIVEN TO TWO OTHER BFC MEMBERS A FEW DAYS LATER BECAUSE I KNEW YOU WOULD DO THIS.

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True, you have not 'picked on me' on Benchmade's forum. I do not attribute this to any maturity on your part - simply the knowledge that Travis would ban you for pulling the kind of stunts which you are pulling, here.
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Then why have I not "picked" on you at every opportunity here Joe? That's selective logic. I felt you threw out a cheap shot, I responded, you throw a cheap shot in Benchmade's Forum and they can ban me, I'll still call a spade a spade Joe.

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you made childish threats about what would happen if I ever posted in a thread which you had also posted in.</font>


I did what I said I would do, that is the Earth-shattering "threat" you keep typing about and that was let people know that you have an axe to grind when it comes to me.

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P.S., real classy in the email - offering proof of what an impressive work history you've had, then blocking your email, so you will never have to provide that proof. Shutting your eyes to the truth doesn't make it go away, Don. Typical....</font>


Yes, I said several legal Work I.D.s, right Joe? And I did shut the E-mail down because I got more frustrated simply responding to you as the mail was composed. If you wish for a third party to verify it, I can arrange that.

I don't recall referring to the work history as "impressive," however, it is what it is.

The mention of the I.D.s, the passage in the E-mail was;

"The simple fact of the matter is, I was fighting my way into and out of buildings, professionally, when you were playing with Hotwheels and Transformers Joe, or whatever toys twisted you so. Would you like a scan of the multiple, legal I.D.s Joe?"

And I stand by that 100%
 
Gentleman, please don't force me to close a thread that's about people complaining about me closing threads. That would be very embarrassing.

As I often say in various meetings when two people start arguing, "If you two don't behave like civilized gentlemen, I'm gonna beat up both of you!" And I'm big enough that most see it as a viable threat.


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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by e_utopia:
Y'know what, though? This really is my own fault. I offered you an olive branch back in the EKI forum, and you responded with an attack. I should have learned my lesson, then. But, I offered you one, again, and you responded the same way.

I guess I just expected too much adulthood from you, Don. For that, I apologize to all the members here who had to put up with this nonsense.

--JB

[edited because I spelled 'apologize' with only one 'o']

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As soon as you entered the Private Chat that you did NOT have to and could have left at ANY TIME, I said in levity, as an icebreaker, "It lives!"

Apparently that is an insult in Massachusetts.

Your next remark was, "**** off you lying freak."

From the Private Chat that night;

"<DonRearic> It lives...
<e_utopia> **** off, ya' lying freak. 'The real sh*ts & giggles part is, he eliminated the address recently.' But that's not a lie, or anything...."

He was quoting my mistake of not seeing his E-mail in his SIGNATURE LINE, a mistake that someone else made as well.

From later on in the Private Chat;

"<e_utopia> (oh, and I am a qualified shrink, should you need one)
<DonRearic> Who was the child?
<DonRearic> Joe, of course you are.
<e_utopia> Hmmm.... again, as I said, I just tried to apologize.... but *someone* had a problem with that....
<e_utopia> Yes, I am.
<DonRearic> Then you are the most ****ed up Psychiatrist I have ever seen Joe.
<e_utopia> I never said I was a psychiatrist....
<e_utopia> Psychiatrists are MD's
<DonRearic> Psychologist.
<DonRearic> Crisis Creator.
<DonRearic> Whatever."

Later, the claim of Psychology was brought up again;

"<DonRearic> So...now we are on an even footing, I'm a wannabe knifefighter and you are a wannabe mental health professional who gets his kicks on a knife forum.
<DonRearic> OK...
<DonRearic> that's easy to swallow.
<DonRearic> Have a nice life.
<e_utopia> I'm an engineer, who happens to take an active interest in self-defense, and has studied psychology for obvious reasons.
<DonRearic> Oh, so, you are a qualified shrink who has "studied" psychology?
<e_utopia> Yes
<DonRearic> OK...makes PERFECT sense now.
<DonRearic> You're an Engineer on Ozzy Osbourne's Crazy Train."

Now, that's all I have to say about it, ever.

This Chapter is CLOSED JOE.


 
Sorry the names in brackets did not show up due to the UBB Software, but I am sure you can figure out who was saying what.

And Chuck, are you threatening me?!?!?!
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Look, please let this die.

I don't know if you were like tired that night or pulling my leg Joe...but you offered your services as a Shrink, OK?

Let it go...JEZZZUS.
 
Actually Joe, Don and I have already discussed your (hopefully)unique HALO speed opening technique, and had a lot of laughs over it.

I have to admit Joe, you confuse me more than just a little. You trash the Commander and then admit that you do not and never have owned one, then you praise the HALO III (over the Commander) but admit that you do not carry one. (Do you even own one?)

I have seen a lot more of this little "thing of ours" between you, Don, and myself than the third party readers have, and I have to say I'm firmly on Don's side in this. Perhaps Don gets a little too hot under the collar about it, but then I would probably be ready to squeeze your scrawny neck til your EYES bugged out if you had baited me the way you seem to delight in baiting Don.
(Not to be considered a real threat, it is a figure of speech only.)

I take a different tack on this than Don does, I'm willing to chuckle about it and let it go, you don't mean enough to me for me to devote a lot of thought to you. No, my only problem with you is how you talk about others being "wanna-be-tough-guy-knife-fighters" and obliquely present yourself as the REAL DEAL, yet when pressed for details of your training, experience, etc. you silently ignore the question.(repeatedly) When you sent me an unsolicited email renewing the issue, you told me of your "unique" method of speed drawing a HALO.
The "secret" of course, is opening it while it's still in your pocket!
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The purpose of this post is two fold.
1. To the third party readers, cut Don a little slack, he's had a long "day" (more like month) with e_utopia.

2. Joe, give it up and go peddle your papers elsewhere, your "cover" is blown with at least a few of us and there's no point trying to "play pretend" for those few of us anymore.

Don't get me wrong, if someone comes to me and honestly wants to learn something I know, I'll make great effort to help them out, and I'll spend a lot of time doing it. OTOH, when someone comes up to me purporting to "know the score" then I expect them to. I'm pretty sure Don feels the same, he's just a little more vocal about it than I am.





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I would like for nothing more than to put this sorry-assed conflict behind us.

It gets OLD.

The name calling gets OLD.

I don't flame people who own Benchmade Folders, uhhhh...I prefer something else until it comes to BALISONGS.

But to have the constant drone of Emerson sucks because of this, that or the other and then ignoring the turd-like knives EVERY Manufacturer can put out...gives me gas.

I would like to know how in the hell someone can develop a Speed Draw with a Specialized, OTF Automatic and never own one to practice with...

HOW?

Anyway...let it die.
 
Don, you know perfectly well that you made threats. If I post them, of course, you will simply claim that I invented them. Since you use AOL, like the vast majority of trolls, getting actual logs is virtually impossible, and would require a court-order, anyway.

For those of you who are not familiar with IRC, in which the #Bladeforums.com channel is located, private chats appear as separate windows. There is no choice about recieveing on not recieveing the chat. Of course, I could have closed it, but I consider that akin to hanging up on someone who calls on the phone, without even answering them.

Don, you made no attempt to 'set thigs right' in Chat. I would have listened, if you did. You did not force me to chat with you, but you cannot claim that I and the one who keeps pursuing contact with you.

If you had not blocked your email, Don, you would know exactly what 'stress' was referring to.

I don't know why you have not 'picked on' me ata every opportunity, here. If I had to hazard a guess, I'd guess that you realise that even the more relaxed environment here can only be pushed so far, and if you did not take a break from it, you might lose your status as a moderator, like others have. But that is only a guess, based on the facts to-date.

Still haven't recieved that scan, Don....
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The thing about chat logs is, they are text files. They can be edited. There is no way to authenticate a text file. You can email chat logs to anyone you want, but that doesn't mean they have not been edited.

Ken: have you ever actually tried what I described?

As to not owning a Commander - I don't own a Ford Pinto, either. Doesn't meant that I can't tell you it has a tendency to explode in rear-end collisions. I have specifically told you that I have had the opportunity to examine and use waved Emersons, and that I chose not to purchase one, based on those experiences.

Ken, you could try being less hypocritical - don't claim to be an amazing martial-artist, not back it up, then accuse someone else of being a fraud for merely claiming to be an adequate one.

I sent you an unsoliceted email because I thought you might want to learn. I see now that you had no such interest. Notice how long I waited before sending that? If I wanted to 'toy' with you, and Don seems to think my motives are, I would not have waited, now would I? I specifically chose to wait, in hopes that people would 'cool down.'

As to what kind of 'day' Don has had with me, you might care to know that this is the first time we've interacted since that night in Chat. Hardly me goading him....

You might also notice that I called in no one to back me up, unlike Don. Plenty of people offered, but I was not about to drag third-parties into this.

Don, how can one develop such a draw? because to me it was intuitively obvious, the first time I held a Halo. Also please remember that I have not siad that I do, or don't own a Halo. I left it blank. Please also remember that there are states in the Northeast where autos are perfectly legal - where I could have plenty of opportunity to to learn the 'ins and outs', so to speak.

Of course, it's all for fun - why would I carry a folder for self-defense, when fixed-blades are perfectly legal?

If you truly want this to die, Don, why do you keep posting? I don't care if it dies right now, or not. I will post in response to future slander, just as I did here. If you are true to your word, that you want this to die out, you will not post again on this topic. Of course, it wouldn't even be worth taking bets, to see how likely that is.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by e_utopia:
Don, you know perfectly well that you made threats. If I post them, of course, you will simply claim that I invented them. Since you use AOL, like the vast majority of trolls, getting actual logs is virtually impossible, and would require a court-order, anyway.
--JB
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Congratulations! You just insulted AOL Members.

Mail One to him:

Subj: Problem?
Date: 5/29/01 4:02:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Drearic
To: e_utopia@hotmail.com

Joe,

Leave me alone on the forums, I'm giving you fair warning in this matter. When you see me post, I'm telling you, avoid it. If you want to have a battle with me and snipe at me, you can dump in E-mail, don't **** with me on those forums and try to make me out to be an *******. I promise you, you will lose. Understand?

Don

Mail from him in return:

Subj: Re: Problem?
Date: 5/29/01 6:52:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: e_utopia@hotmail.com (Joe Brown)
To: Drearic@aol.com

Don, give it a rest. This is a one-sided battle. Don't try and read
motives into my posts. I provided a bit of useful information, and you
started in on me. I could care less about you. You mean nothing to me. If
you assume that everyone who talks to you has some sort of vendetta, you are
going to have a very lonely life.

And don't you dare tell me to avoid your posts. If you don't want replies
made, don't make the posts.

--Joe

And my final response to him:

Subj: Re: Problem?
Date: 5/29/01 7:24:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Drearic
To: e_utopia@hotmail.com

Joe,

First of all, thanks for worrying about my mental and emotional well-being, I really appreciate the concern. As for me being lonely, I have my Wife, my Child and my Friends. My Friends are known to me Joe, as are my Enemies of which you most certainly are one. From the moment I came into that chatroom with you, it was my desire to let this pass and touch base with you and the first words that drifted off of your keyboard was..."You ****ing lying freak."

You're the lying freak and that will be established shortly.

You've been running your what? Twenty or twenty-one year old mouth about me behind my back, FACT. You don't know ****. You talk about "Wannabes" on the Forum and you tell me that you are an Engineer and a "Qualified" or "Certified" Psychologist Joe? I'm ****in' impressed Joe, I have never met someone who has accomplished so much in two decades. I'm flabbergasted!

You're a wack-a-loon Joe. I consider you one of the following;

1. Certified Internet Psychotic.

2. A punkass kid, barely old enough to drink let alone think, that likes to stir up **** on Internet Forums for entertainment.

I would like to think you are the latter and not the former, but the truth of the matter is Joe, both are interchangeable in the real world.

You could care less about me Joe? How much less? I could NOT care less about you Joe.

I mean nothing to you Joe? You're breaking my ****ing heart Joe.

Let me clue you in, you disturbed little man, if my watch stops running, that would hurt me more in my daily life than you not liking, caring, or respecting me...understand?

You talk about Emerson being "irresponsible" for not following the Law of Massachusetts and then say that most other States, or "many," I forget which, have the same type of law, which is bull**** anyway...your vivid imagination at work once again. No doubt the same vivid hallucinations that inform you that you are an Engineer and a Psychologist...

Then, you carry a ****ing Microtech Halo Out-The-Front Switchblade Joe?

You're a ****ing cretin Joe. You're a wannabe Engineer and Psychologist Joe. And you're a kid Joe. I don't have time for children Joe, especially those that throw stones and live in a glass house...

The simple fact of the matter is, I was fighting my way into and out of buildings, professionally, when you were playing with Hotwheels and Transformers Joe, or whatever toys twisted you so. Would you like a scan of the multiple, legal I.D.s Joe?

The fact is, you called a bunch of good people "wannabes" and lumped them in with the absurd human beings of the world and me in with them, when you are, in fact, a wannabe yourself. I'm not a wannabe anything Joe.

I take that back, I wannabe a good Father and Husband and I am.

What have you done in your short, miserable, lying life Joe?

So, you are these things, you have said these things...and you have stated to others you have no respect for me.

What is respect from you Joe? What is the value that I could obtain my gaining your respect Joe? NOTHING.

If I had your respect Joe, in light of the facts presented, the respect would have no value...

I'm warning you, you can get indignant and be filled with all of this fake righteous indignation that you wish, "how dare you..." All of that nonsense...the fact is, you and I have a personality conflict. You're a wannabe and I'm not. You've projected what you hate about yourself.

Don't let it ruin the Forum Joe, OKAY?

I will win.

In short, YOU let it go Joe, OKAY? Don't be quick to fire the hidden shots on the forum. It is transparent Joe.

Furthermore, don't even bother to respond to this E-mail, your mail will be blocked by the time you read this.

I have no time for children passing themselves off as Streetfighting, Engineer-Psychologists who carry an illegal weapon and then whine like the child that they really are when someone mentions a Wave Opener.

You know why I have no time? Because I'm a ****in' man, something you have not learned to be yet Joe.

Learn to be a man Joe. As far as I'm concerned, you're a damned liar.

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Now Joe, you can get your Court Order, and you can order a HAPPY MEAL while you are at it, because that is the E-mail exchange and it's funny Joe, I see no physical threats there Joe...do you now Joe?

Does anyone see a "threat" that would constitute a Court Order being obtained?

Get your Court Order Joe, I'll tell you what, get it tomorrow and you won't because those are the E-mails verbatim.

Unless you can convince a Judge that a hypothetical ass-whipping on an INTERNET FORUM constitutes a physical threat.

Now, if the mail you sent Chuck does not EXACTLY MATCH THAT WHICH I JUST POSTED, I WILL DO MY LEVEL BEST TO HAVE YOU BANNED.

 
I never insulted AOL members, in general. I pointed out that a large percentage of troll use AOL due to the inherent anonymity.

Hmmm.... when did I say I would attempt to get a court-order? I specifically used it as an example of something that would not happen.

Guess what? The mail I sent Chuck does not match that, at all. I sent a private message to Chuck. I would not forward your email to him - it's something adults just don't do.

And we all now know that you are lying outright when you claim to want this to end. You could have said nothing, and it would have dropped out of sight in a few days. But you showed your true colors, didn't you, Don?

--JB

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e_utopia@hotmail.com
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by e_utopia:
For those of you who are not familiar with IRC, in which the #Bladeforums.com channel is located, private chats appear as separate windows. There is no choice about recieveing on not recieveing the chat. Of course, I could have closed it, but I consider that akin to hanging up on someone who calls on the phone, without even answering them.</font>

This simply does not jibe with what you have stated above.

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Still haven't recieved that scan, Don...
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There is a scan of two IDs in Chuck Gollnick's E-mail. What I said was true.


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The thing about chat logs is, they are text files. They can be edited. There is no way to authenticate a text file. You can email chat logs to anyone you want, but that doesn't mean they have not been edited.
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Yes, just as my E-mail to you can be edited.

What I posted was real, anyone who wishes to believe me or disbelieve me can. You offered your services as a "shrink" and there was no "Hardy-Har-Har" following it. You answered "Yes." I'm through with you, you lie like a rug.

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You might also notice that I called in no one to back me up, unlike Don. Plenty of people offered, but I was not about to drag third-parties into this.
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AND IF THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THIS SITUATION, BRING'EM ON JOE.

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If you truly want this to die, Don, why do you keep posting? I don't care if it dies right now, or not. I will post in response to future slander, just as I did here. If you are true to your word, that you want this to die out, you will not post again on this topic. Of course, it wouldn't even be worth taking bets, to see how likely that is.

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Chuck: you have mail.

--JB

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Of course I am going to respond to it. You did, didn't you?

I showed the E-mails, warts and all, I don't look good in them, I know that, I'm being honest.

Something you clearly are not.

As for me being a Moderator around here Joe, and the possibility of losing that position, do you think I really care?

If they yank me over this, I care not. I never threatened you except to tell you that THIS would happen...you came on and ran your mouth some more, I posted what I have.

I never made one damned thing up, I knew you would say that I edited them.

I don't care.

It is your word against mine, there are no legalities involved here.

There is no slander.

Do what you have to do, I'll take a Polygraph that everything is correct, every portion of what I cut and pasted in here tonight is the truth, not altered, not edited, yada yada yada, well, I edited it for the sake of brevity, but I added nothing and I left out no comment that you were kidding, because you never said you were.

You just wanted to be a dick and now you don't want to look like a dick.

Sometimes, the Internet just isn't worth it anymore, it is such a pain in the ass to run into a skunk like you.

 
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