Acceptable folder issues out of the box?

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What do you consider problems for knives at various price points? If these are issues to you, what is the most you would expect to pay for knife and still see it when you open the box?

dull/missing edge - knives eventually need to be sharpened anyway, but reduces/prevents a knife from performing its intended task. You need sharpening equipment and ability to fix.

chipped edge/tip - similar to the first, but will require reprofiling or additional steel removal.

loose screws - can cause parts to rub where there is slop, eventual loss if not corrected. Easy to tighten, if you have drivers of the appropriate type/size.

stripped threads/rounded heads - again similar, but in this case adjustment cannot be done. You can order replacements from the maker, possibly for free, or try to source them locally. Replacement may be a hassle, depending on the fastener type/placement and whether or not you need extractors, locking pliers, needlenose, or some other extra tools.

missing screws - parts loss a concern. Find them around town or order them.

off-center blade - affects lock up for liner/frame locks. Can sometimes be adjusted by tweaking the pivot and applying lateral pressure to the blade. Bad cases have the blade rubbing the frame.

ill-fitting/chipped/damaged scales - affects comfort when using, possibly blade deployment and lock actuation depending on type. Sheets of G10, carbon fiber, wood, and other scale materials are available from knife supply companies like AKS, Texas Knifemakers, USA Knifemaker, Jantz, etc etc. Scale material, sandpaper, a hand or power saw of some sort, drill press, countersink, and/or step drill bits would be needed.

loose/tight clips - tight clips can damage pocket material and interfere with retrieving/replacing the knife. Loose clips can result in the loss or damage of the knife. Again, if you have or can locate the proper type and size of driver, you can fix these. Otherwise, I guess it depends how much your pants and the knife cost as to whether you can tolerate the potential loss or damage.

rough edges - leftovers from grinding, laser cutting, or some other operation. Affects comfort, may provide for small injuries depending on placement. Some abrasive can be used to fix, if you can reach the problem area to use what you have on hand. Or wear gloves every time you use that knife.

bad heat treat - affects edge performance. Requires replacement or rehardening of the blade. Would not appear to me to increase risks of loss, damage, or injury. Could be one of the pricier fixes, depending on the time and tools you would need for specific instances of the other things mentioned.

So, for these, or any other things you can think of, are they acceptable to you, and up to what price point? In any case, returning or exchanging is probably possible, but I mentioned self-fixes I could think of. Please add more if you wish.
 
For me, acceptable problems are the minor things: loose screws, blade centering (as long as it can be adjusted), that sort of thing. Missing/damaged/defective parts are totally unacceptable and will result in the manufacturer either sending me replacement parts or them getting the knife back. I am at a point where I am buying fewer, higher end knives and that sort of problem is unacceptable for the money I put into them.
 
Stripped threads are bad. I bought a $200 limited run folder last year and I discovered the threads for the clip screws were all stripped.
 
Good thread idea.

Of those, missing screws, stripped screws, rounded heads, bad heat treat are the ones I consider unacceptable. I would care less if it is a knife from a brand that sends out parts instead of making me send in the knife.

All the rest appear aesthetic or fixed easily, and I wouldn't care at any price point. I sharpen (reprofile included) each new knife and clean/lube it right away, so that would fix most of what is mentioned.
 
What do you consider problems for knives at various price points? If these are issues to you, what is the most you would expect to pay for knife and still see it when you open the box?

dull/missing edge - knives eventually need to be sharpened anyway, but reduces/prevents a knife from performing its intended task. You need sharpening equipment and ability to fix.

chipped edge/tip - similar to the first, but will require reprofiling or additional steel removal.

loose screws - can cause parts to rub where there is slop, eventual loss if not corrected. Easy to tighten, if you have drivers of the appropriate type/size.

stripped threads/rounded heads - again similar, but in this case adjustment cannot be done. You can order replacements from the maker, possibly for free, or try to source them locally. Replacement may be a hassle, depending on the fastener type/placement and whether or not you need extractors, locking pliers, needlenose, or some other extra tools.

missing screws - parts loss a concern. Find them around town or order them.

off-center blade - affects lock up for liner/frame locks. Can sometimes be adjusted by tweaking the pivot and applying lateral pressure to the blade. Bad cases have the blade rubbing the frame.

ill-fitting/chipped/damaged scales - affects comfort when using, possibly blade deployment and lock actuation depending on type. Sheets of G10, carbon fiber, wood, and other scale materials are available from knife supply companies like AKS, Texas Knifemakers, USA Knifemaker, Jantz, etc etc. Scale material, sandpaper, a hand or power saw of some sort, drill press, countersink, and/or step drill bits would be needed.

loose/tight clips - tight clips can damage pocket material and interfere with retrieving/replacing the knife. Loose clips can result in the loss or damage of the knife. Again, if you have or can locate the proper type and size of driver, you can fix these. Otherwise, I guess it depends how much your pants and the knife cost as to whether you can tolerate the potential loss or damage.

rough edges - leftovers from grinding, laser cutting, or some other operation. Affects comfort, may provide for small injuries depending on placement. Some abrasive can be used to fix, if you can reach the problem area to use what you have on hand. Or wear gloves every time you use that knife.

bad heat treat - affects edge performance. Requires replacement or rehardening of the blade. Would not appear to me to increase risks of loss, damage, or injury. Could be one of the pricier fixes, depending on the time and tools you would need for specific instances of the other things mentioned.

So, for these, or any other things you can think of, are they acceptable to you, and up to what price point? In any case, returning or exchanging is probably possible, but I mentioned self-fixes I could think of. Please add more if you wish.

Great thread topic man. :D

For me the self fixes you mentioned other than Customs and mid-techs are exceptable as things can and do happen in production knives.

Bad Heat treat is never exceptable at any price range and the blade needs to be replaced at the makers expense, that can happen in any price range.

I am not that picky because I understand that things can happen and as long as I am taken care of I am fine with it.


$5 - $35 Anything can happen so don't expect much.

$35 - $100 There can be some F&F issues, usually not too bad.

$100 - $200 Things should be pretty good, but some minor problems can be there.

$300 - $400 And up only very minor issues should happen.

$400+ The knives should be very good overall with almost no issues other than the rare one here and there.

People really need to be realistic in their expectations based on the price they are paying in the end I believe.
 
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Heh, just wrote some more on a napkin while getting breakfast.

Weak closed retention- potential injury in pocket. Can be adjusted on some, but could lead to...

Stiff lock - slow or uncomfortable opening or unlocking

Gritty action - debris or bad machining in contact areas. Rough opening and wear. Disassembly and cleaning/polishing to fix

Missing washers - rarely mentioned.

Blade play - sloppy feeling, can sometimes affect lock function. Fixes with the pivot somtimes possible.
 
Acceptable issues outta the box? If I ordered and paid for a Mora, (not sayin' anything bad about Moras, they make an excellent knife) and I got a brand new Sebenza instead :).

I couldn't let a mistake like that go by, I've shipped the wrong knivess to the wrong address before and I was so glad that the knives were caught on the other side and the respective parties graciously reshipped the knives.

I have ordered knives from companies on-line and when a particular knife was ordered and foud to be outta stock, (it happens) they shipped a better knife, (then again, they always notified me by phone or email so I knew it was commin', I guess that doesn't count) so I guess after way too much rhetoric my short answer is...

The degree of outta the box from description discrepancies tolerated is based on the deal I got when I bpught it.

Now keep in mind that the degree that I tolerate those discrepancies also is determined by whether I'm gonna use it or stash it, (believe me I use way more than I stash).

Hopefully I've successfully enlightened you or at the very least entertained you and made ya smile. ;)
 
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