Admiral Steel

I don't know where canid is coming from. This has been going on for "YEARS"!

Nor in my 35 years of making knives, do I know of a time when they were the only game in town.

You can take the advice here or not.

The if Loveless Shop of all people can't get what they order, who are we to expect better. And they order in large batches for a Knife Maker!

After all,. Bob Loveless and Jim Merritt flew to Japan for the sole purpose of helping to develop ATS-34 for us. Without Bob, there would be no 154-CM, 154-CPM, RWL-34 ( Robert W. Loveless-34) or ATS-34. Yet Admiral treated them like ignorant newbies and were arrogant when caught selling them bogus steel! They are dirt bag's. Period!

Mike
Maker
The Loveless Connection
 
I don't know where canid is coming from.
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i'm coming from exactly where i have said i am: a position where i have not been burned by the company and have seen more positive than negative opinion until recently.

it's got nothing to do with what kind of company they are, just the limit of my exposure.

I read your position, and the other points are well taken but i failed to get the point of that statement.
 
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Does this need to have been started in a thread in some other part of the forum?
Seems like an awful lot of Bash and Worship. I too have not been burned, I know
I just haven't made enough knives yet or used enough kinds of steel.
Ken.
 
I've got to throw in another plug for Kelly cupples..
Thats his price sheet below
No stainless, but bout everything else you could need..

Current steel in stock as of 06-17-10, payment, business check, personal check, or money order.
Bar stock is in 4' lengths. 15n20 is in 4' lengths. Will negotiate cut lengths.
Prices are per lb except O-1 and bar stock are per Ea.
Steel Orders 100.00 and up, shipping included UPS ground within the continental USA, or USPS flat rate box.

( Approx) per #
1065
1/4 x 1 1/2........( 10" in a lb )...............................2.75.................4'...13.25 ea
1074
5/32 x 23-5/8 .....................50lbs...........4.00............4'...200.00 ea

1080
1/8 x 1.............................( 27" in a lb )....................4.45......................4'.......8.00 ea
1/8 x 1 1/4..........................( 23" in a lb )..................4.45......................4'......9.25 ea
1/8 x 1 1/2............................( 19" in a lb )...................4.45......................4'.....11.25 ea
3/16 x 1.............................( 19" in a lb )...................4.45......................4'.....11.25 ea
3/16 x 1 1/4.......................( 16" in a lb ).................4.45.....................4'....13.50 ea
3/16 x 1 1/2........................( 13" in a lb )................4.45.....................4'....16.50 ea
1095
3/16 x 1 1/2.............( 13" in a lb )..............................4.75.................4'....17.50 ea.
3/16 x 2-3/8............( 7-1/2 in a lb )............................4.75................4'.....29.75ea.
5160
1/4 x 1.....................( 14" in a lb )..............................4.15..................4'...14.25 ea
1/4 x 1 1/4..............( 12" in a lb )..............................3.30..................4'...13.25 ea
1/4 x 1 1/2..............( 10" in a lb )..............................3.50..................4'...16.75 ea

O-1 Precision Ground
3/4 x 2 1/2 x 36.......( 20 lbs ).................................................75.00 ea.

15n20 Will shear to most width and lengths.
.058......................................................................................................5.00 lb.
.065......................................................................................................5.00 lb.
.095......................................................................................................8.00 lb.
___________Everything below this line subject to freight.___________________

1084 Powder.........(Coarse mesh)...............................................................3.00 lb.

1095 Powder...........(Fine mesh)..................................................................3.75 lb.

4600KC Powder........(Fine mesh).................................................................4.00 lb.
2% Nickel & Iron .8 Carbon

4800KC Powder........(Fine mesh).................................................................4.25 lb.
4% Nickel & Iron .8 Carbon

Pure Nickel Powder...(Fine mesh)...............................................................22.00 lb.

Containers for shipping powder in, 3 lb..$1.50.. ea., 7 lb..$1.75.ea., 25 lb..$2.50 ea.

Monel 200 Nickel Sheet Fully Annealed
.010 x 5-7/8"...................( 60" in a lb.)...........................................................30.00
.020 x 9-1/2"...................( 16" in a lb.)...........................................................30.00
.020 x 1-1/2"...................( 97" in a lb.)...........................................................30.00

Anhydrous Borax .............................................................................................3.00 per lb.

Heatbath Quench Oils
Parks 50............................5 Gallon Bucket...................................................$125.00
AAA....................................5 Gallon Bucket...................................................$110.00


Thanks for your time, and Happy Forging KCC
 
This is sort of on topic, sort of just general. Is it normal for a piece of flat stock to require a fair bit of time on the grinder to actually get flat? It's not particularly bent along the length, but curled, yet it seems to be in both directions. Maybe it's due to how it's cut while being rolled out. I have to basically flat grind both sides of my blanks once I cut them out and it isn't just to get rid of the burrs along the edge. I spend more time getting the blank FLAT than ground to shape. I'll post a pic in a minute that shows a bit of what I mean. PG sheets are out of my price range and generally not available in steels I'm ready for yet, but flatter flat stock would be nice.
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Remyrw said:
This is sort of on topic, sort of just general. Is it normal for a piece of flat stock to require a fair bit of time on the grinder to actually get flat? It's not particularly bent along the length, but curled, yet it seems to be in both directions. Maybe it's due to how it's cut while being rolled out. I have to basically flat grind both sides of my blanks once I cut them out and it isn't just to get rid of the burrs along the edge. I spend more time getting the blank FLAT than ground to shape. I'll post a pic in a minute that shows a bit of what I mean. PG sheets are out of my price range and generally not available in steels I'm ready for yet, but flatter flat stock would be nice.
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Depends on just who exactly you bought the steel from! :D

Ha ha ha ha ha ha


(more WORSHIP I guess?):barf:

Aldo Aldo Aldo Aldo Aldo Aldo Aldo
 
if i had stock that needed that much grinding to get it flat i'd heat it up and take a hammer to it and wouldn't pay new steel prices for it again.

belts = money.
 
Just for what it's worth, I see no reason to jump canid for his post. I think it's admirable in today's online world to see someone NOT jump on the bandwagon..... and say they don't have good or bad feelings toward something without having personal experience.

Way too many folks read something negative about ***whatever***, and 5 minutes later, are on the bandwagon about how crappy ***whatever*** is.

Now I think he'd be silly to order from them after all the input here ;), but I do appreciate his neutral standpoint. :) :thumbup:

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well, in keeping with the thread, this was from admiral.

Canid, you're very right about belts, that's actually what has me concerned. Now, given the price I paid for the steel compared to many other sources it would ALMOST work out, but there seem to be several quality options that might be flatter, have a better customer service rep and similar prices. That's an obvious choice. I've got about six more feet of this steel, but the next purchase will be either Kelly Cupples or Aldo Bruno for the many reasons mentioned here. To be fair to Admiral, my order process was smooth and as far as I can tell I got what I ordered. If I hadn't read all the issues here, and hadn't been getting sick of the need for significant flat grinding all the time I'd probably have ordered from them again. On the other hand, the 1084 Aldo's got has been calling my name. I'm tempted to order the 1/4" he has in stock right now and just make something to match the steel, rather than matching steel to what I'm making.
 
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Remyrw said:
This is sort of on topic, sort of just general. Is it normal for a piece of flat stock to require a fair bit of time on the grinder to actually get flat? It's not particularly bent along the length, but curled, yet it seems to be in both directions. Maybe it's due to how it's cut while being rolled out. I have to basically flat grind both sides of my blanks once I cut them out and it isn't just to get rid of the burrs along the edge. I spend more time getting the blank FLAT than ground to shape. I'll post a pic in a minute that shows a bit of what I mean. PG sheets are out of my price range and generally not available in steels I'm ready for yet, but flatter flat stock would be nice.
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I assume this is before heat treat? After heat treat it's not uncommon for knives to get a slight amount of deformation.
 
Yup, I ground/cut the general shape then put it flat on my glass platen. The pommel area would generally come clean faster than that, and the shape of the remaining scale owes a lot to my grinding pattern before that. If I just lay it flat on there it is more even and doesn't follow the shape like that It tends to be more of a strip right down what would be the centerline, with maybe just a slight twist to it. Some sections are mostly curved one way, but others are almost evenly dished. Mind you, once flat it's still about 0.118 or so, it's not like I'm going from nominal 1/8" stock to 3/32".
 
Remyrw said:
Yup, I ground/cut the general shape then put it flat on my glass platen. The pommel area would generally come clean faster than that, and the shape of the remaining scale owes a lot to my grinding pattern before that. If I just lay it flat on there it is more even and doesn't follow the shape like that It tends to be more of a strip right down what would be the centerline, with maybe just a slight twist to it. Some sections are mostly curved one way, but others are almost evenly dished. Mind you, once flat it's still about 0.118 or so, it's not like I'm going from nominal 1/8" stock to 3/32".
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About the best solution is a surface grinder or different steel. Good luck!
 
kelly cupples stocks hotrolled in specific widths for most of his steel ;) no warp..
the 15n20 is sheared however, and has a bur.. but other than that its great stuff, no scale removal
 
that looks to me like ther eis a bit of slack in your belt over the latten as i have never seen steel truly cupped from all sides

i also onle grind "flat" if flat is not relly key if i want truely flat its to the surface grinder

whats the other side of the blade look like ?
 
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Just for what it's worth, I see no reason to jump canid for his post. I think it's admirable in today's online world to see someone NOT jump on the bandwagon..... and say they don't have good or bad feelings toward something without having personal experience.

Way too many folks read something negative about ***whatever***, and 5 minutes later, are on the bandwagon about how crappy ***whatever*** is.

Now I think he'd be silly to order from them after all the input here ;), but I do appreciate his neutral standpoint. :) :thumbup:

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:thumbup:

It is admirable.
 
I have orded from them for years and had no problems. Maybe i am lucky and i will keepbuying from them. Everybody makes mistakes.
 
you didn't cause anything. a bunch of people had something building up and this is just where it happened.
 
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