Advice for dealing with bears from a former spert.

Discussion in 'Wilderness & Survival Skills' started by Thomas Linton, Sep 17, 2018.

  1. SW-EDC

    SW-EDC Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Dec 4, 2015
    "you should lay face down with your hands over your head with dominant hand underneath the weak hand."

    Really? I was told that is the worse thing to do. Guess ya learn something new everyday.
     
  2. Yonose

    Yonose

    Jul 10, 2017
    I guess the idea is to keep the dominant hand from serious scratches or bites. Still, if I were capable of doing anything else, I wouldn’t lay down.
     
  3. Danke42

    Danke42

    Feb 10, 2015
    Here's what I was told. Never tried it myself.

    Carry a fairly long stick. If you meet a bear that's interested in you put your back to a tree and tap him on the nose with the stick. He'll stop and bump the stick away.

    Repeat till the bear looses interest.
     
    jackncoke likes this.
  4. 22-rimfire

    22-rimfire Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 20, 2005
    Not a bad choice. Mine is the 480 Ruger..... but these are big guns (at least mine are) and unless I'm hunting or a special circumstance, I won't have such a big handgun with me. If I choose to carry a larger handgun with bear defense in mind, it's a 4" 41 mag with solids. Normally I will have no gun with me, a 22 revolver, or perhaps my 38spl carry gun.... I just never encounter any problems in the woods and my main concern in the Eastern woods are human predators.

    I have never encountered a grizzly bear outside a national park and that was only once.

    If a black bear is acting aggressive or particularly nervous and you are within 50 yds, back up and keep your eyes on that bear.
     
    jackncoke likes this.
  5. Mark Knapp

    Mark Knapp Dealer / Materials Provider Dealer / Materials Provider

    Dec 20, 2009
    Nancy Smith is all wet, running from a bear, any bear will get you killed faster than anything else you might choose to do. I have been a bear guide (blacks and brown/grizzly) for 35 years. Bears are like cats, they chase and catch whatever is running from them. The guy who taught me to hunt bears (Joe Want, fairly infamous up here in Alaska, has been in National Geographic twice) was mauled by a brown bear, a sow with a cub when he was quite young, 16 years old, and playing dead saved his life.

    Brown and grizzly bears are the same bear, generally, brown bears are coastal grizzlies.

    I will relate to you a story experienced by another pretty well known bear guide I worked for, John Swiss (took no. 1, 2 and 4 polar bears in Boone and Crockett)

    When we were still allowed to hunt polar bears (before the Marine Mammal act of 1972) John was hunting polar bears with a paying hunter. They were set up on the ice pack north and west of Nome Alaska waiting for a polar bear they were hunting to come into view from around a pressure ridge on the ice. When the bear came into view 90 or so yards away, he told the hunter to shoot. The hunter shot but wounded the bear in the shoulder. The bear started charging. John yelled "Shoot again" Nothing. John yelled "Shoot again" still nothing. John looked over at the hunter to see that he wasn't there, his rifle was laying on the ice where he had been. Looking back he saw the hunter running away. John turned back around to see the bear almost on top of him, he had been filming the whole thing and his rifle was on the ice below the camera tripod. He reached down to get his rifle and as he looked back up to check on the bear, all he could see was yellow polar bear belly fur over him. He thought he was had but as soon as the bear was there, it was gone again. The bear jumped completely over John and was chasing the hunter who was running away.

    The bear caught the hunter and was hauling him in by his butt. John ran up and shot the huge bear in the neck.

    You can read the whole story and others in his book "50 Years in Alaska" if you like.

    The best way to turn a bear that is coming at you is to shoot into the ground (if you have a firearm) in front of the bear to spray the bear with dirt. This is more effective than shooting over his head, bears hate to be touched and spraying them with dirt has an amazing effect on them.
     
  6. Mark Knapp

    Mark Knapp Dealer / Materials Provider Dealer / Materials Provider

    Dec 20, 2009
    For a bear to smell fear in you or anything else, he would need to be down wind of you or on top of you, by then it's too late. I'm sure, like you said, it would be other cues too. My dog, and anybodies dog, can sniff me and know what I have eaten, if I am sick or healthy. Researchers tell us there are many other things a dog can tell by smell and I suspect that bears can do the same. It would not surprise me to learn that they can tell if I am scared or confident just by smell if the conditions were right. I am also sure, they would be using all of their' senses to figure that out.
     
  7. Mark Knapp

    Mark Knapp Dealer / Materials Provider Dealer / Materials Provider

    Dec 20, 2009
    A bear can run around a hill, any hill, much faster than we can.
     
    Hard Knocks likes this.
  8. Mark Knapp

    Mark Knapp Dealer / Materials Provider Dealer / Materials Provider

    Dec 20, 2009
    Me too, what are these?
     
  9. RayseM

    RayseM Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 18, 2010
    AKA, the "patty cake" bear attack survival technique. :eek: I hope it never comes to that - don't know if I could keep up the rhythm :(

    Ray
     
    Danke42 likes this.
  10. Thomas Linton

    Thomas Linton

    Jun 16, 2003
    Shotgun said:
    “Spert” “sport preacher”

    What are these terms?

    I dunno'. They call themselves experts. So we want a spert or a former spert?

    As for Sport Preacher, it's a website - apparently for goofy ideas.
     
  11. Dogdrawz

    Dogdrawz Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 15, 2016
    He never gives up, he's always there; fighting for freedom over land & air!!!
     
    Yonose likes this.
  12. Mark Knapp

    Mark Knapp Dealer / Materials Provider Dealer / Materials Provider

    Dec 20, 2009
    Got it, Spert = expert
     
  13. 22-rimfire

    22-rimfire Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 20, 2005
    Don't run from a bear or any predatory animal that could likely cause you harm. Back away.
     
  14. mete

    mete

    Jun 10, 2003
    There has just been an incident in Alaska with a bear .A hunter shot a bear above him and the bear rolled down the hill into the hunter .The bear was dead but the hunter was seriously injured from rocks and bear damage !
     
    Grease likes this.
  15. miltmaldo

    miltmaldo Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 5, 2012
  16. C_Claycomb

    C_Claycomb

    670
    Dec 11, 2000
    I was always told that while some people do indeed have real expertise (are experts), a lot of those who proclaim themselves as "expert" could also be described as "has-been drips under pressure".

    Interesting interaction here: @ 2:15
     
  17. Jhansenak47

    Jhansenak47 Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 27, 2005
    I like that. I have not heard that before. It makes sense when you explain it.


    Back to the "ex-spurts", you ever notice how people always recommend this or that gun, but never mention what a PITA actually getting in a shooting incident with a bear can be. Up here in Alaska you have to bring the hide and skull in to surrender on top of doing a report. That means you have to skin it and haul out the hide.
     
  18. Yukon Doug

    Yukon Doug

    1
    Dec 31, 2018
    Not sure where you read this story, but the last brown bear (grizzly) in New Mexico was hunted down and killed around 1921. Aldo Leopold wrote a short story about the Forest Service group that hunted it down and killed it. There are only black bear left in Arizona and New Mexico now.
    I spent every Summer for nearly 20 years in and around brown and black bear in Alaska. Often fly fishing next to them during salmon runs! The only bears that actually hunt humans are polar bear. Black and browns are relatively safe, as long as you are smart and follow the rules. The folks that get hurt by bears are the ones that are lazy around food and viewed as a food source, or are unlucky enough to run across a bear while feeding on a kill, or a sow with cubs. Around population centers and garbage they are the most dangerous, but out in the wilderness, educated outdoors men/women have little to fear. It is this unfounded fear that gets bears killed and causes mass bear and wolf hunts from helicopters in the far North where it is still legal. Oh and by the way, killing a grizzly with even a .454 cal magnum handgun would be just a lucky shot. Nothing short of a medium+ bore rifle with a high velocity round is likely to stop a bear when charging. Being safe around bears is mostly a mixture of good bush practice and a healthy respect.
     
  19. A.L.

    A.L.

    Jun 27, 2007
    How to stop a bear?



    Just tell it to f**k off! :D
     
    jux t likes this.
  20. mete

    mete

    Jun 10, 2003
    The bears I've met have been polite , knocking on the door !
    The Rutgers kids made all the mistakes possible . A needless death. Loud noise is one possibility for your safety ,Shout, use a Loud whistle [ mine is a STORM supposed to be the loudest, a gunshot is good also. Many a black bear leaves the area before you notice it . Leave it alone , When camping keep all food and cooking at least 75 yds from your tent .
     

Share This Page