Advice needed on knife sale

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How long do you wait to be paid. I sold a knife and it's been 29 days today. Still no payment. Now I get threats of bad feedback,and lawyers,and postal police coming to get me if I don't keep holding the knife. The payment has been coming from Flordia,then a bank in Fla. then Paypal,then New York,it's still not here. I needed the money for the Vegas show. I did not want to sell the knife but needed the cash. The worst part is 5 other people wanted the same knife.What do I do. I was promised the money in a week or two at the most. Any advice would sure be nice. Ed

As a side note I sold a knife to a man in Ireland on Monday.I have been paid and he got the knife today in Ireland. Must say the USPS Global priority did a great job. Thanks to all you postal workers.

[This message has been edited by LYFSFUN (edited 01-25-2001).]
 
Contact the buyer and set a short deadline for payment. If it is not received by the deadline, post it again for sale or contact the other prospective buyers.

Steve
 
This kind of feedback extortion is pretty common, especially on ebay.
29 days is long enough, and it's time to either keep it like you would probably prefer to do, or contact the next in line.

Believe it or not, having less than perfect feedback is not going to kill your sales on ebay, so don't let some loser hold it over your head.

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Make sure that you post when and how payment is expected and if you have an inspection period for them to return the item, if necessary. Hell, after the first smoke screen was put up I'd have been VERY specific about the transaction and let them know that without a doubt the knife would be sold ASAP to the next interested party!!! You know where they could stick ALL their threats!
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I don't ebay. I did at one time but then I saw the light. I prefer to trade and sell and buy with people on here. It's much nicer to trade, and on here you have people that know what they are doing.There is much more of lets play fair and help each other out here. I used to collect Winchesters and Colts. With all the changes I traded out of them into Case knives ( ended up with 600 ). Then one day walking through a gun show a Lawyer said I took this for fees it's $200. It was a large Alan Elishewitz folder. Brand new and real nice, well that was it. I went custom crazy. Never have been able to buy another mint Elis. for $200. Next stage I traded for and bought alot of customs. Now I think I have picked my area of collecting. High Art customs. I am selling and tradeing off most of my knives for High Art customs or cash to get them. Anyway to the point I thank yall for you replys and hope this works out ok. I want the man to get the knife but I can't fix the problem. Ed
 
I saw this and said, "geez, I hope it ain't about me." Glad it's not. Like steve said above, I would set a short deadline, and if it's not met, do what you like with the knife. If the guy has PayPal, and is responding to emails, then there's no excuse for not having the money in your hands within a very short period of time. Good luck.
 
I can tell you from a buying experience opposite of yours that you should probably get out and keep your blade or put it back up and in the post place an explanation of 'why' it is back up and then it is all good from that point forward. I paid for a couple customs to be made a year ago and am still waiting for the repairs as they were not completed to specs the first time.

Your patience in this matter has gone well beyond what anyone would consider reasonable. PayPal gets the payment there in a couple heartbeats so as soon as that supposed payment took more than two days you could have emailed and told them thanks but no thanks. Sounds like it was a hot knife and the person didn't have the dough and decided to screw you a bit in the timeline as he was scrambling for the money and now he's screwed and still hasn't got it so he's pushing 'you' to see if you'll fold.

Whether you keep it or sell it no-one would hold it against you. If you 'had' to give him a deadline I would make it exactly 31 days from the date agreed upon for sale and leave the rest up to him. BUT, if you like it and want to keep it... F*CK 'em! You're not a bank or other lending agency so unless he agrees to a 'fee' for holding your item for a month I say he's got no argument whatsoever.

30 days same as cash! Sheesh! What's next?

Shawn
 
Lyfsfun: You have been more than reasonable in waiting as long as you have. All the folks above me have given you good advice. Set a "final deadline" for payment (a day or two?), and then do what you want with the knife after that.
Don't worry about the threats about lawyers and postal police. It's obviously pure BS. Do you think he is really going to hire a lawyer over one knife? What postal regulations have you broken? I am a litigation attorney and sit as a judge pro tem in civil/small claims court. IMHO, there's no way he could prevail legally against you. Forget the jerk!
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Hi Ed, 29 days from THIS distance would have me cranking, I'd tell him the deal's off and why, and send back anything that eventually comes your way. Enough is enough.
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Ed, it seems to me {I'm not a lawyer}that you are under NO obligaton to hold the knife at all. If there is no written contract, to heck with it. He is the guy not holding up his end of the deal, not you. I doubt that I would wait anywhere near 30 days for payment. Unless you both agree to a payment plan or for you to hold it a while, you been more than fair. You have more patience than I. Keep it or re-post it. Good luck pal.
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Mike

[This message has been edited by ENGINE3C (edited 01-26-2001).]
 
Hello Ed,
If he can`t pay for the knife, He can`t afford a lawyer. Sell it man , your reputation speaks for itself.
Regards
William
 
mikemck,

Your comment about negative feedback on ebay couldn't ring truer, but it still hurts, (read more at: "Little things in life that really piss me off!") I've gone through this life as a cubscout, boyscout, expolorer, and USAF Airman by age 17.

I've only got one thing going for me, and that's my word. Period. (Other than my wife...*grins*) We've bought or sold 250+ items on ebay, and even though only about 1/3 of the folks leave feedback (a pox on those that don't...grrrr), we've only had one really "bad" experience, resulting in our one negative.

About a year ago, as we were getting hot and heavy into Randall collecting. We bid on and bought a model 16 diver's knife advertised as "mint, never sharpened, never sheathed" for around $300.

We finally got the guy to email us back after a week, we sent a money order, and a week or so later the knife arrived...a little slow, but that was ok....the knife wasn't! It had been resharpened, -$50+ in value right there.."Ikes!"

So, we asked for a refund...two weeks, three weeks, no return email....so we leave a nuetral, "Nice knife, slow delivery, (re)sharpening marks" He leaves a negative as a response...mind you, no reply to our emails...Then a week later demands the knife back, (1 month after sale) and starts threatening legal action for defamation of character...gonna get us bounced off ebay, etc, we with maybe 3 feedbacks...

What an ass, the damage was done, we'd sold the knife,(as used),negative feedback had been left....what an ass! What a complete jerk! <deleted named individual to avoid potential harrassment, M-P>

So, they're out there, you'll come across them eventually, and "Such is life" EOS.

Mel

"Buy Quality and Only Cry Once"

[This message has been edited by Melvin-Purvis (edited 01-27-2001).]
 
Welcome to the forums Purvis.What a jerk that MDBlades is.

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have a"knife"day
 
Just got the M.O. His letter was stamped Jan.9th. I sure am happy it worked out. Now everyone call in sick and let's go to Vegas.See you there Ed
 
Hello you all.
I am the jerk,the ripper-off,the awful one who got LYSFUN in such an horrible experience that made your hearts blooding and your tears flowing.
I just have to point out some things you should know before joining the chorus line :
-there was a misunderstanding from the very beginning of this transaction,I specified being in ITALY,EUROPE,OVERSEAS,and having an address in the USA (FL) to get merchandise,NOT me being there.
_given that,I definitely don't live in N.Y and don't know why it was believed that.
-as we agreed on the deal,I planned to use PayPal,but encountered troubles from their side that are still to be cleared up,maybe their international service is still not up to standard,I don't know,as I've made other payments through them and it worked properly.
-Then I opted for a cashier's check that's the most safe way I know to pay someone abroad,and the most hassle-free (not this time anyway),and had the check mailed by my bank with insured mail.
-from then on,I had no more any power to modify,speed up or do anything about that mail,and that's something any reasonable person should understand.
-I notified LYSFUN of the payment,and was,from then on,ready to prove I did it anytime on request,sending by fax my receipt.
-as days passed,I kept receiving emails from him,even twice a day,AM and PM,complaining he was not getting money and other people were asking for that knife,and he was losing a possible sale,and so on,with a rather unpleasant and suspicious tone.
-I tried anything I could to explain it was a normal timeframe,but had no success as it culminated in the most offending mail in which he claimed to relist the knife for sale,which he actually did.
-at this point,being the one who put his money out for nothing,I was pissed off enough and asked for a minimum of personal respect,as a customer and as a person.
-As for the "threats",let me say that I just kept clear what would be the following of an unfair act as selling out a knife which was legitimately already sold to me,and for your informations,folks,in every country where commercial law applies,a deal is made and legally valid when the parts are agreed,money is sent and each part can prove its act vith valid documents,period.
-If and when something happens in between,name it postal slow service,snowstorm or just plain bad luck,it's time to be patient and fix the situation as gentlemen,not blame the other for something he's not control on.
-I'd like to see any of you gentlemen tossing out $ 555,sending them in and being treated as a liar or a scam because the recipient does not trust you,or needs money faster than he gets it;I guess if any of you was in my shoes,and had the knife sold to another one,would have been not happy and had to do something,or are you telling me you would have swallowed it down ?
-money arrived as it has to,but if I had to block the check as it seemed likely,it would have been a bureaucratical nightmare.
-in the end,I hope no hard feelings are left from each side,as long we recognize publicly each other as honest human beings.
I would suggest,anyway,to everyone,not to jump so quickly to sentences in a public forum as long as you don't hear both sides of the story.
 
I would simply not do business with anybody who expected that length of time as a reasonable period to get paid. It is not.Say what you wish,but I think Lyfsfun has a valid gripe here.
David

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The most important thing Left out is the Jan 9th date on post mark. Thats 2 weeks after we made the deal. Next there was never any talk of money coming from out of the country. You said you were out of the country and mo was coming from the US. That was the first week plus story,then paypal for a week,then mo was coming from New York. Next problem is this e mail thing. I started sending a mail a day after the mailman came to my house same email each time,still no mo. That was after 2 weeks of no m.o. You would think a person would resend the money or use a credit card by then. I dont feel good about this deal and don't want to send the knife. I think no matter what there will only be more problems. It seemes pretty clear what kind of person I have gotten mixed up with. I have keep all e mails and will still keep them. As a matter of fact I am getting advice today from my att. I do not want to do buss with you at all. After thinking about this last night and seeing your post and rereading your threats to me I just do not want to be mixed up with you in any maner.You also told me 1 week 2 at the most I would have the money. You also said it would be paid by a different manner each time I never got the money. I don't even know if this foreing money order is any good. I never said I would take a money order from a forein bank. From your post and e mail to me I have no faith in this mo. For all I know it may not be any good and I won't find out for a month if it is or not. I think it best that you and me go our on way and we dam sure don't need to do any buss. of anykind together. You be looking for the cash back and I'll sell the knife to someone else. It just to plain to see there will only be more problems. Guess next the CRK box wont be white enough or the knife is wrong shade of color,no telling what. I ended up with a couple of people mad because I kept waiting and not letting them get the knife. I sure made the wrong decision there. You post or send all the threats you want I DO NOT WANT TO DO ANY BUSSINESS WITH YOU IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. Ed

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[This message has been edited by LYFSFUN (edited 01-29-2001).]
 
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
I'm wondering if anyone here has kept his mind or is getting mad.
I'm talking to the moderator of this forum,as I don't know if this is an usual policy to treat people like pieces of **** and be proud about it.
Everyone is entitled his opinions on everything,but there are simple rules of civilized life that should be followed or at least recognized by most.
Being insulted,harassed,humiliated and publicly attacked like this is not acceptable by anyone.
Not surely by one who's cashed out $ 555 of hard earned money and had nothing in return but a lot of bull**** by YOU,Mr. EDWARD K. FOSTER,you just can't keep my money for a legitimate transaction,not deliver and even tell on this forum you don't want to have business with me !
Talk with your attorney as much as you want,bottom line is that if you don't send my check back or send the knife as you are expected to,you are a thief,plain and simple.
 
The Money Order is going into the bank. The Bank will let me know when it is cleared. This looks to be a Italian money order drawn on a US bank account. I don't know if it will take 3 days or 10. The knife will be sent USPS with delivery confirmmation. Knife is being sent to the address you sent.I really don't want anymore problems with this tran. It was not my job to get the money here. I feel I did way more than expected of me. I even posted that everything worked out and then you come back with a attack on me.When did I ever say I was keeping your money and not sending the knife? Where did that come from? I am a thief because you changed the deal at least 3 times and took so long. Your use of that word makes it very plain what you are. I sure don't understand this at all. Enjoy the knife. Ed

[This message has been edited by LYFSFUN (edited 01-29-2001).]
 
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