Advice on rattan,kamagong,bahi sticks

I ordered mine this morning directly from the Philippines.

Hope it will get here as fast as the kitchen knife I ordered from Japan.
 
cybrok said:
I ordered mine this morning directly from the Philippines.

Hope it will get here as fast as the kitchen knife I ordered from Japan.
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good luck eh hope they arrive and post pics

I think i have changed my mind yet once again & now am gonna order everything from the dogbrothers. I have ordered from them before and i truly respect Guro Crafty and they have a few other items that have caught my eye.

Does anyone know where I can get a Martial arts a big one to hold all my gear. I have quite a bit of it coming. MMA, Boxing, Muay thai, Kali needs to be longer than 32inces atleast so it hold the stick without a problem.

aj
 
As much as I like the commercially available bags, my sticks are 33" long so they don't generally fit. Bladerigger makes a 36" "add-space" bag that piggy-backs onto their SCP bag that I might consider in the future - but for now I just use a small duffel bag and increase the size depending on where I'm going and how much I'm taking.

FWIW the last time I checked kamagong is an endagered species and protected by Philippine export law. I prefer bahi anyway and here in the Untied States hickory is an acceptable substitute for solo practice.

I got some great sticks from Mark Hoza a few years ago. He makes professional-quality flute parts out of Australian ironwood (a species of ebony, like kamagong) and generously offered to send me some sticks tailored to my specifications. The color is a dark, burnt umber. My 33" x 1" diameter sticks are quite heavy and I use them and the corresponding ironwood dagger for solo practice.

I'll post some pics if anyone would like to see them.

For partner work I like rattan sticks as they are easier on the hands. I get them cheaply from cane supply houses for people that make their own rattan furniture. I don't worry whether they have close nodes or not and don't preserve or mark them in any way: use 'em, break 'em, tape 'em, and throw 'em away...

Best,

Steve Lamade
 
the kamagong sticks from bloodsport.com come directly from the philipines. Nick gets them from his contact in the PH.

Greg
 
I posted above that kamagong is a protected species and is covered under Philippines export law. That doesn't mean that you can't get a licence to export kamagong as furniture or decorative items, etc., and the sticks from Boodsport may well fall under that category.

Best,

Steve
 
slamade said:
As much as I like the commercially available bags, my sticks are 33" long so they don't generally fit. Bladerigger makes a 36" "add-space" bag that piggy-backs onto their SCP bag that I might consider in the future - but for now I just use a small duffel bag and increase the size depending on where I'm going and how much I'm taking.

FWIW the last time I checked kamagong is an endagered species and protected by Philippine export law. I prefer bahi anyway and here in the Untied States hickory is an acceptable substitute for solo practice.

I got some great sticks from Mark Hoza a few years ago. He makes professional-quality flute parts out of Australian ironwood (a species of ebony, like kamagong) and generously offered to send me some sticks tailored to my specifications. The color is a dark, burnt umber. My 33" x 1" diameter sticks are quite heavy and I use them and the corresponding ironwood dagger for solo practice.

I'll post some pics if anyone would like to see them.

For partner work I like rattan sticks as they are easier on the hands. I get them cheaply from cane supply houses for people that make their own rattan furniture. I don't worry whether they have close nodes or not and don't preserve or mark them in any way: use 'em, break 'em, tape 'em, and throw 'em away...

Best,

Steve Lamade
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post away :D
 
Some wooden training weapons:

www.northshoreac.com/wooden_training_weapons.jpg

From the bottom of the picture:

pair of bahi sticks

pair of kamagong sticks

pair of Australian ironwood sticks

pair of Australian ironwood daggers

close-node rattan stick

rattan stick

walking stick with burl head (unknown wood)

hickory cane

ananangkil (1.5" x 50")

Best,

Steve
 
 
Quick question on rattan sticks. How tough are they supposed to be?

I got mine last friday, applied some wood board oil on them and got my first class since today. I chose the 2 heaviest for the class and the training was not that hard.

One of them already started to break. I did not expected them to last for years, but maybe a few months :S I'll try to post some pics tomorrow.

But the kamagong knives are just great.
 
The sticks should show no wear from only one training session. Do your sticks still have the skin on them?
 
Treat your rattan as follows:

1. submerge rattan into a lukewarm bath full of sea salt (1 lb.) for 1 hour

2. Take out and lay on the floor letting dry for 2-3 hours

3. using a blow torch patina the nodes and the ends (punyo & punta)

4. fire harden the entire stick adding what ever pattern floats your dingy

5. after they cool spray on a nice coat of polyurethane

6. when dried add 1 more coat and let dry over night

You have now turned average rattan into bone breakers. Another way to stop them from wearing is to quit clacking them together..as Tatang said; "My weapon is for your flesh not your weapon"
 
cybrok said:
Stick noob here: How do I know that?
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The skin of the stick is sort of a hard outer layer that is yellowish in color. If the stick has been sanded, the skin is probably gone. Sticks with the skin on look rough; not even and polished like many sticks available. I'll see if I can take a picture comparing the two.
 
cybrok said:
Quick question on rattan sticks. How tough are they supposed to be?

I got mine last friday, applied some wood board oil on them and got my first class since today. I chose the 2 heaviest for the class and the training was not that hard.

One of them already started to break. I did not expected them to last for years, but maybe a few months :S I'll try to post some pics tomorrow.

But the kamagong knives are just great.
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If you were using rattan on rattan this should not have happened. If you were using rattan on bahi, kamagong or any other hardwood i could see this happening. I bought some sticks from my teacher and few other places all are holding no problem and they were really a bargain for how much i paid for them.

stay safe & train hard fellow canuck

aj
 
I took a couple of pics, hope they are not too big. Let's test:

See the curve on the tip.


Here you can see the damage.
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Is it normal after one session? A hard one, but not more than 20 minutes. Rattan on rattan.


P.S. I love the cam they have at my office.
 
cybrok said:
I took a couple of pics, hope they are not too big. Let's test:

See the curve on the tip.


Here you can see the damage.
DSC06885.jpg

DSC06888.jpg



Is it normal after one session? A hard one, but not more than 20 minutes. Rattan on rattan.


P.S. I love the cam they have at my office.
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Nope if i were you i'd complain to the dude you bought it from. These are very low quality sticks and i dont think i have had any sticks that splintered after 20 minutes even the lowest quality ones i have bought.

Blood sport has good sticks, but since your doing Kali either the other students or the instructors probably have hookups on where to get the sticks from. If worse comes to worse i could buy straight from my instructor and send em to you. He charges $40 i'll charge you the same and shipping. If your interested let me know. He bought his sticks straight from California from one of the dog brothers.

take care
aj
 
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