AEB-L Toughness and Edge Holding

Horsewright

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Over the last couple of years there have been numerous threads here on just how tough is AEB-L and how well does it hold an edge. Thought I'd share this with you. Few days back I come home from the ranch and find these two hoof knives on the bench. This is a matched set (right and left handed knives) I made for our local horse Vet who is also a good friend. I made these for him in Aug of 15. He estimated that he has used these at least once a day since then. A Vet uses hoof knives for digging out abscesses in a horse's hoof, not an uncommon problem. He was here last Jan doing so to one of my horses. I asked him then if he would like me to resharpen them and he declined saying simply "they don't need it." Hard to think of a more edge dulling medium than a horses hoof with all the barnyard muck, gravel, sand, dirt, mud manure etc. Let alone the hoof is pretty tough stuff even if its pristine (and they never are). Think about it this 1200 lb animal runs around carrying my 40 lb saddle and my 230 lb butt and then I rope a 2,000 lb bull going the other way and he can still walk afterwards. Tough stuff. So now Oct of 16 they finally needed resharpening. 1/8" AEB-L stock @ 63 RC with heat treat done by Peters. Turkish Walnut handles and Loveless bolts. I have declined making any further hoof knives cause these "bitc...." wanna jump off the grinder and bite ya. Anyhoo:

Still got some dried on gunk.

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And then after sharpening and ran the handles over a clean buffing wheel.

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AEB-L is plenty tough and holds an edge. Works well here.
 
Very cool. May I ask how exactly you did grind the hooks after forming them? I've been meaning to make a couple carving knives of similar shape but haven't sorted out how to do that on the inside of the radius.
 
Seriously, good looking knives Dave. I have been making them out of 3v, and most seem to like them. I prefer a shorter drop blade, but to each his own.
 
kuraki I did most of the edge shaping and grinding pre ht and pre shaping of the pig tail. Post ht I cleaned it up using a small chain saw stone in a variable speed grinder on pretty darn slow. Then buffed with a felt wheel and green compound. Not only hoof cutting but hair splitting. When he or his assitant use them they wear kevlar gloves. And definitly no protractors huh Cody? Thanks you sir. He had lots of imput in the design. He had quite a few different custom hoof knives forom different makers, many of which he liked. However none of them would hold an edge as well as he liked and that was the primary goal of the project. Might of got him spoiled cause he has probably 10 of my belt knives, a set of steak knives and several kitchen knives. Thats true Zidfelts however thats what he was trying to get away from with this set of knives.
 
There has been a huge surge in higher end hoof knives. Ringel, bagget, Tosaki, Walker, Bean ect. Even with all of those, A2 is the most popular, though I have seen L6, H13 and S7. I use a A2 blade and a 3v blade every day. I notice the 3v last longer, but is harder to sharpen in the field. A buffer will bring back the A2, but does very little to the 3v. with the proper tools in the shop, it isn't hard, I just forget to sharpen them up when at home.
 
Cody, a couple of years back, Aldo had a line on what was supposedly the last of the 1-2 ton ingots of CruForgeV. He asked us if we would be interested and we said yes, but by the time his went back, the steel had been bought, supposedly by maker of hoof knives.
There has been a huge surge in higher end hoof knives. Ringel, bagget, Tosaki, Walker, Bean ect. Even with all of those, A2 is the most popular, though I have seen L6, H13 and S7. I use a A2 blade and a 3v blade every day. I notice the 3v last longer, but is harder to sharpen in the field. A buffer will bring back the A2, but does very little to the 3v. with the proper tools in the shop, it isn't hard, I just forget to sharpen them up when at home.
 
I had heard AEB-L warped during heat treat. Just didn't realize how bad! Just joking anxious to try some AEB-L myself.
 
Thats what I thought. I still have a couple of hundred pounds of the flat stock and I figure that I could forge at least 300 decent sized knives out if that remaining batch. .
^thats a lot of hoof knives!
 
Cody guys like you are worth their weight in gold...and their trucks weight too! Good farriers are to be treasured. Me I just ride the critters...

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This calf was lively once I got my string on him.....cut back on me..

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Got him stopped...

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End of a long day gathering and branding. My grandson and I each used up two horses.

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Always enjoy your pics Dave. Me, I'm just a hack from cold Minnesota. A bit different farming and ranching around here. Swamps, bugs and trees,mans grass that grows like crazy for the few months that don't have snow. We have been so wet that we have had to wear rubber boots all summer.
 
Nice write-up on the AEB-L & edge properties at 63. It's amazing stuff to be able to take that type of "use/abuse" & not break or wear out too rapidly in daily use. Thanks for posting about the blades.
 
You bet noseoil. I make my own leather knives out of AEB-L too.

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They also are at 63RC. Granted they are not cutting into as an abrasive a material as a hoof knife however I do use em for long periods of time almost daily. I cut out 17 sheaths yesterday afternoon with the one on the left. Stopped and ran it across the buffer for about 5 secs once during that time. They see a stone maybe once every six months or so. These things are so sharp I had to get that hydroma cutting board pictured below. A regular white poly cutting board I'd get the knife stuck in.

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Look Cody we got water! Its about three hours away.

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Around here water comes in containers. That way Sophie can herd the goldfish.

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What are these rubber boot thingies you speak of?
 
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Crook blades can be aggravating to make..We make a lot of crook knives for wood carvers but the bevel is on the outside of the wood carvers.
 
Mike Turner bought it. All of it. He had some of it rolled into thin sheets (@.113"). Up until a year or so ago, he still had some of them that he was selling...

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1103374-Wow!!!-CRU-FORGE-V-STEEL-SHEETS-FOR-SALE


Sorry for the total thread derail. If this is entirely out of place, let me know and I'll delete.


Cody, a couple of years back, Aldo had a line on what was supposedly the last of the 1-2 ton ingots of CruForgeV. He asked us if we would be interested and we said yes, but by the time his went back, the steel had been bought, supposedly by maker of hoof knives.
 
Ah. Perhaps the confusion was because Mr.Turner is a farrier by trade? I wonder if that is where Guy from Survive! Knives got his 3/16 stock?
Mike Turner bought it. All of it. He had some of it rolled into thin sheets (@.113"). Up until a year or so ago, he still had some of them that he was selling...

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1103374-Wow!!!-CRU-FORGE-V-STEEL-SHEETS-FOR-SALE


Sorry for the total thread derail. If this is entirely out of place, let me know and I'll delete.
 
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