AEBL Blues

Natlek said:
Obviously you know how to use bandsaw :) Some people get up from sleep and decide to make knives... they buy tools and they have no idea how to use them and then problems starts.......... bandsaw don t cut ,drill bits don t drill , belts don last ............... bla bla bla :)
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I profiled 15 blades yesterday afternoon. Maybe when you sit down to work and I sit down to work, we are working out different things?
 
Stuart Davenport Knives said:
I notice you are always posting very helpful comments! Keep up the good work!
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Yes ?
If you think a little deeper, you will realize that *that* is good advice .
Did you read the first post ? *Cutting disk ain't exactly winning either * What this statement tell to you ? A ?
Did you watch * Forged in fire * ? In one episode they were given the task of making a knife from parts of a crashed car .One knife maker with many years of experience chose driveshaft and he tried to cut it with chop saw for metal . Imagine he struggled for five minutes and gave up, he couldn't cut it. With a chop saw, he could not cut steel as if it were made of Tungsten Carbide or diamond 🤣 I KNOW why , did you know why ? Do you want me to look for topics about drilling holes in annealed steel ? The man says...drill bits started drilling perfectly and then stopped.....do you know why ? Other one say ... to grind one blade in M2 steel, I need several 2 x 72 belts !! I grind at least ten blade from hardened M2 with one 2 x 42 belt ! What that say to you ? That If you have/buy belt grinder you know how to use it ???
Finally, let me tell you this, Texans. When you buy a new tool...that doesn't make you an expert to use it 🤣
Power tools are also very dangerous, you should not play with them without experience or training from someone who knows
 
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Natlek said:
Yes ?
If you think a little deeper, you will realize that *that* is good advice .
Did you read the first post ? *Cutting disk ain't exactly winning either * What this statement tell to you ? A ?
Did you watch * Forged in fire * ? In one episode they were given the task of making a knife from parts of a crashed car .One knife maker with many years of experience chose driveshaft and he tried to cut it with chop saw for metal . Imagine he struggled for five minutes and gave up, he couldn't cut it. With a chop saw, he could not cut steel as if it were made of Tungsten Carbide or diamond 🤣 I KNOW why , did you know why ? Do you want me to look for topics about drilling holes in annealed steel ? The man says...drill bits started drilling perfectly and then stopped.....do you know why ? Other one say ... to grind one blade in M2 steel, I need several 2 x 72 belts !! I grind at least ten blade from hardened M2 with one 2 x 42 belt ! What that say to you ? That If you have/buy belt grinder you know how to use it ???
Finally, let me tell you this, Texans. When you buy a new tool...that doesn't make you an expert to use it 🤣
Power tools are also very dangerous, you should not play with them without experience or training from someone who knows
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Show me some blades.

You know, something to keep me from wondering how much a waste of time with you is going to cost me.
I have been at this for almost 2 years and have of 20 years as an industrial electrician, so, portable bandsaws are long used.
I am an apprentice with ABS and have no claim of mastery of anything blade. I have been tooling up and studying, you know, apprentice level crap.

You are the very first asshole I have met in the blade universe, congratulations.

I can use my name on the internet. That will be how can always find me.

Your professionalism leaves something to be desired sir. We have apprentices in the building trades and forming those men is an honor for any journeyman.

Forged in fire fell into my feed from the hundreds of Makers on youtube that I follow and have for 2 years, I have seen it; But, my knifehound brother and a cheap japanese water stone changed the way I saw knives after 50 + years. Who in the hell wants to go on national TV and make the best of 3 crappy blades?!

Thinking a little deeper to ask questions before you commit to seemingly solve all confusion with your infinite experience is my sincere advice to you and I will also add as sincerely that you may want to be damn sure you can do the work of Bob Loveless, before flaunting the notorious manners he sometimes would visit.

I am very interested in you showing me your best work, right here.
 
Judcargile said:
Show me some blades.

You know, something to keep me from wondering how much a waste of time with you is going to cost me.
I have been at this for almost 2 years and have of 20 years as an industrial electrician, so, portable bandsaws are long used.
I am an apprentice with ABS and have no claim of mastery of anything blade. I have been tooling up and studying, you know, apprentice level crap.

You are the very first asshole I have met in the blade universe, congratulations.

I can use my name on the internet. That will be how can always find me.

Your professionalism leaves something to be desired sir. We have apprentices in the building trades and forming those men is an honor for any journeyman.

Forged in fire fell into my feed from the hundreds of Makers on youtube that I follow and have for 2 years, I have seen it; But, my knifehound brother and a cheap japanese water stone changed the way I saw knives after 50 + years. Who in the hell wants to go on national TV and make the best of 3 crappy blades?!

Thinking a little deeper to ask questions before you commit to seemingly solve all confusion with your infinite experience is my sincere advice to you and I will also add as sincerely that you may want to be damn sure you can do the work of Bob Loveless, before flaunting the notorious manners he sometimes would visit.

I am very interested in you showing me your best work, right here.
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You talk to much , but saying almost nothing .IF YOU CAN NOT CUT STEEL WITH angle grinder and cutting disk YOU DON T know how to use angle grinder ! Period !!
 
Judcargile said:
Show me some blades.

You know, something to keep me from wondering how much a waste of time with you is going to cost me.
I have been at this for almost 2 years and have of 20 years as an industrial electrician, so, portable bandsaws are long used.
I am an apprentice with ABS and have no claim of mastery of anything blade. I have been tooling up and studying, you know, apprentice level crap.

You are the very first asshole I have met in the blade universe, congratulations.

I can use my name on the internet. That will be how can always find me.

Your professionalism leaves something to be desired sir. We have apprentices in the building trades and forming those men is an honor for any journeyman.

Forged in fire fell into my feed from the hundreds of Makers on youtube that I follow and have for 2 years, I have seen it; But, my knifehound brother and a cheap japanese water stone changed the way I saw knives after 50 + years. Who in the hell wants to go on national TV and make the best of 3 crappy blades?!

Thinking a little deeper to ask questions before you commit to seemingly solve all confusion with your infinite experience is my sincere advice to you and I will also add as sincerely that you may want to be damn sure you can do the work of Bob Loveless, before flaunting the notorious manners he sometimes would visit.

I am very interested in you showing me your best work, right here.
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Why you call ashole someone who want to help you ?
It's simple, you have a problem with something that others don't have a problem with. So the problem is with you and your equipment not steel .
AEB L is air hardening steel, so if you overheat the steel for a fraction of a second while cutting, it will harden and then of course the bandsaw will not be able to cut further. Carbon steel also will harden if you over heat it .I am talking on very shallow part of steel which will harden . If you push the steel too hard into the bandsaw, you create a higher temperature. If you push the steel too little, you also create a higher temperature. It's the same with the angle grinder, if you push the disc too hard into the steel, you create a high temperature and the chips stick to the disc, you get a glazed disc and good luck with cutting .
I mentioned that knife maker from Forged in Fire because it's obvious that he doesn't have a chop saw in his shop but he used it in the competition. He pressed hard and the disk glazed over ..... and he persistently tried to cut, which means he didn't have no idea what he just did to cutting disk .
One more thing , another mistake I often see people make is HOW they cut steel with angle grinder .If steel is 5mm thick they cut it like it is 8mm and of course that they will over heat steel if it is hardened or cutting go slow and chance to glaze disk are high .................
 
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MODERATOR - OK folks. Time out!

Judcargile - You asked questions and from your posts have a problem with something you are doing. The folks here and Natlek are trying to help. Natlek is a bit rough in his wording, but some of that is translation from his native language. Hidden within his rough statements is usually a truth that needs to be understood by the reader. I would agree that he can come off as a jerk sometimes, but please avoid calling anyone an a$$hole here in Shop Talk. Natlek provides a lot of advice from a person who thinks outside the box. He has made 100s of machines and knives over the years. Some of his things amaze me.

Natlek - OK, you tried to help and gave advice. I agree with most of what you said. Now it is time to step back and let Judcargile figure out what he is doing wrong. Maybe he will re-read your posts and see what you are pointing out.
It would have been a little more friendly if you had just stated the issues without the interrogation style of address. Responding further will probably not help. Pour a glass of Rakija and relax for a while.

Now, let's all let this thread sit for a while and make some knives.
 
Natlek said:
Yes ?
If you think a little deeper, you will realize that *that* is good advice .
Did you read the first post ? *Cutting disk ain't exactly winning either * What this statement tell to you ? A ?
Did you watch * Forged in fire * ? In one episode they were given the task of making a knife from parts of a crashed car .One knife maker with many years of experience chose driveshaft and he tried to cut it with chop saw for metal . Imagine he struggled for five minutes and gave up, he couldn't cut it. With a chop saw, he could not cut steel as if it were made of Tungsten Carbide or diamond 🤣 I KNOW why , did you know why ? Do you want me to look for topics about drilling holes in annealed steel ? The man says...drill bits started drilling perfectly and then stopped.....do you know why ? Other one say ... to grind one blade in M2 steel, I need several 2 x 72 belts !! I grind at least ten blade from hardened M2 with one 2 x 42 belt ! What that say to you ? That If you have/buy belt grinder you know how to use it ???
Finally, let me tell you this, Texans. When you buy a new tool...that doesn't make you an expert to use it 🤣
Power tools are also very dangerous, you should not play with them without experience or training from someone who knows
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This reply is just awesome! I am in stitches! Wow, what whit you have! God bless you!

Here in Texas, we actually send our children to school on horseback, and we even got indoor plumbing just this last year! We haven't figured out indoor plumbing for our horses, tho. Maybe you have suggestions?

My great aunt just happens to have one of them tele vision contraptions, in color nontheles! We actually got to saw one of them Forged in Fire things that y'all are always talkin' bout on these here forums!

Seemed like a TON of advice that you need to watch! I know I learn a LOT watching that show! I mean, yeah! You can learn a LOT, Natlek! It's really good! I really is!

Lord knows I don't know NEAR what you do! That's just obvious. I mean after all, your skill set has been shown to Shop Talk over and over again. I admire you! You have a moderator that admires you! I don't even have THAT!

You remind me of another "maker". Those of us that still remain here in Shop Talk can easily recall that "maker". Most of the "makers of knives" who know what they are talking about and honestly want to help others are gone. LONG GONE! And the mods of this forum know exactly what I am talking about. But yet they tolerate nonsense comments. You know who you are! Hmmmmmm. Who could I even begin talking about?

How about them apples? Aint life just grand?? Here I am in Texas! Wow!

Bless your heart!
 
Stuart Davenport Knives said:
This reply is just awesome! I am in stitches! Wow, what whit you have! God bless you!

Here in Texas, we actually send our children to school on horseback, and we even got indoor plumbing just this last year! We haven't figured out indoor plumbing for our horses, tho. Maybe you have suggestions?

My great aunt just happens to have one of them tele vision contraptions, in color nontheles! We actually got to saw one of them Forged in Fire things that y'all are always talkin' bout on these here forums!

Seemed like a TON of advice that you need to watch! I know I learn a LOT watching that show! I mean, yeah! You can learn a LOT, Natlek! It's really good! I really is!

Lord knows I don't know NEAR what you do! That's just obvious. I mean after all, your skill set has been shown to Shop Talk over and over again. I admire you! You have a moderator that admires you! I don't even have THAT!

You remind me of another "maker". Those of us that still remain here in Shop Talk can easily recall that "maker". Most of the "makers of knives" who know what they are talking about and honestly want to help others are gone. LONG GONE! And the mods of this forum know exactly what I am talking about. But yet they tolerate nonsense comments. You know who you are! Hmmmmmm. Who could I even begin talking about?

How about them apples? Aint life just grand?? Here I am in Texas! Wow!

Bless your heart!
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Dude, totally poor taste especially since Stacey asked for a cool down.
 
Stuart Davenport Knives said:
This reply is just awesome! I am in stitches! Wow, what whit you have! God bless you!

Here in Texas, we actually send our children to school on horseback, and we even got indoor plumbing just this last year! We haven't figured out indoor plumbing for our horses, tho. Maybe you have suggestions?

My great aunt just happens to have one of them tele vision contraptions, in color nontheles! We actually got to saw one of them Forged in Fire things that y'all are always talkin' bout on these here forums!

Seemed like a TON of advice that you need to watch! I know I learn a LOT watching that show! I mean, yeah! You can learn a LOT, Natlek! It's really good! I really is!

Lord knows I don't know NEAR what you do! That's just obvious. I mean after all, your skill set has been shown to Shop Talk over and over again. I admire you! You have a moderator that admires you! I don't even have THAT!

You remind me of another "maker". Those of us that still remain here in Shop Talk can easily recall that "maker". Most of the "makers of knives" who know what they are talking about and honestly want to help others are gone. LONG GONE! And the mods of this forum know exactly what I am talking about. But yet they tolerate nonsense comments. You know who you are! Hmmmmmm. Who could I even begin talking about?

How about them apples? Aint life just grand?? Here I am in Texas! Wow!

Bless your heart!
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I don t even understand what you are talking about ? Probably you are trying to offend me . . . . ?
Here's what a smart person says about that .
If you want to give me present and I don t accept it , the gift stays with you , right ? If you try to insult me and I don't accept insults . . .

Now about the topic, I mentioned Forged in Fire just to make point how it s look when someone use tool with which it is not familiar .

And don't underestimate people, they are smart, you can learn something from everyone . . . ..
Bless your heart!
 
Stuart,
I admire your work and acknowledge that you have been around here for 17 years. You have thousands of posts under your two forum names showing wonderful knives and great advice. I recall discussions between us in the past about apple seed grind techniques and other knifemaking topics. Your advice is always good and encouraged.
(Jokingly) If you don't like my moderation, feel free to send Spark a message and volunteer to take over the duties. It isn't as simple as one might think.;)


Many good makers have come and gone. That is the same on every forum I have heard of, be it train collection, beekeeping, or bladesmith/blacksmith forums.
In Shop Talk, some makers left voluntarily because they were frustrated over new makers who asked repeated questions but didn't listen to answers. Others left because of big arguments over techniques or metallurgy. A few over one-on-one feuds with another maker. Some just got fed up with too many argumentative threads like this one. Some got old and don't participate anymore. Some, like fitzo, came back after a long break due to needing time off for health and such.
The bulk of those in Shop Talk who left by being banned either asked to be removed, or were banned for content, conduct, or language. I don't recall anyone being banned for having a different opinion than the mainstream.
I assure you that I go way overboard to not ban anyone myself. I don't think I have banned a person myself more than a few times. Heck, In don't even assign points normally. The supermods often ban someone for content, conduct, or too many violation reports. Sub-Forum moderators often don't know anything about the why or when in those cases. I have invited people back after being banned and some have returned. Others have moved on to different forums or spend more time in their shop and less online.
As an example, Tai-goo and I communicated by email for a good while after he left. He was always welcome to come back. He was happier in his forge and decided not to return. As far as I know he is still happily making his knives and selling online. A fun fact about Tai is that even though he might have seemed like a primitive "back-woods" maker to many, he is highly educated in several fields of art and metalworking, with advanced degrees in metalworking. He was a college professor at one time. He developed and marketed his Neo-Tribal style knives (and other Neo-styles), and it has worked well for him. I even put Tai Goo in my annual Christmas poem.
Ed Fowler and I also talked after the big ruckus over my letter to Blade magazine. We are not bitter enemies, as many thought we were. A difference of technical opinion is not the same as hating a person ... at least not to me.

Just for the record, I don't admire Natlek. He makes my job much harder often. I regularly contact him off the forum to ask him to knock it off, tone it down, or step away from a thread. I do this off-forum with others regularly, too. Most of the time when I post a specific warning or similar statement to a forumite in a thread is because the person does not take direct messages.
I do admire Natlek's shop skills for making machines from whatever he can find in Macedonia. He has 6000+ posts of advice and his projects.
 
Now, let's all have another turkey/lamb/goat/vegemite sandwich, a glass of Rajika or Scotch, (or Bourbon for the Texans) ... and relax. There is more to life than bickering about how to cut AEB-L.
 
Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith said:
Now, let's all have another turkey/lamb/goat/vegemite sandwich, a glass of Rajika or Scotch, (or Bourbon for the Texans) ... and relax. There is more to life than bickering about how to cut AEB-L.
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Stacy … thank you for your considered efforts here. I know the job is far from easy (and I have been ”on-line” on forums, or similar, since about 1979 … and the bickering has always been there 😒)

i do object to one of your comments though … bourbon is * Kentucky* … not Texas! 😊
 
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