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AFD and EFD
- Thread starter davisac
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not very knowlegeable about the steel. but i googled it and it seems like the S60V is basically an upgraded 440C? or totally off? but if its not getting alot of use 440C should be fine right?
The 440C steel is a very good steel. In the 60's and 70's it was a premiere steel. Good rust resistance, good edge holding ability, can be easily sharpened, and if this is not a constant use knife then I would think that the 440C would be fine. Boker uses 440C a good bit so I expect they have heat treat down pat on it.
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I own an EFD and can vouche for this. The grooves on the EFD make it easy to reverse grip. Also, if one would use the EFD as a non-lethal impact weapon, these groves would provide good grip for this application.
I used to fence foil and these guards allow one to hold the dagger in the fencing grip. If one holds it in the fist grip the grooves match up with where one's fingers would go and coupled with the anodized aluminum grip this offers very good grip.
I have not handled the AFD, but there are advantages to getting the EFD with 440C steel besides the price savings. 440C is easier to sharpen and Boker has a solid history of working with 440C.
More than just Dietmar Pohl worked on the EFD, unlike the AFD. Metzner, Friedrich, and Newman worked with Pohl to design and improve the AFD, making the EFD. Frank B. Metzner und Joachim Friedrich are recognized close combat trainers for the German police and run a large fighting school. Prof. Bill Newman has been studying asian and european martial arts since the 60's and is a recognized expert of the phillipino art escrima. Escrima is derived from the Spanish word "esgrima", which means "fencing."
Other differences on the EFD are that it has a wider hollow grind, giving an unprecedented sharp edge to a dagger, and the opening for the thumb stud in the handle was changed to make it easier to open the dagger using the thumb stud.
I really like the Boker 2200 EFD Escrima Folding Dagger.
I hope this helped.
- Joined
- Apr 30, 2008
- Messages
- 26
I own an EFD and can vouche for this. The grooves on the EFD make it easy to reverse grip. Also, if one would use the EFD as a non-lethal impact weapon, these groves would provide good grip for this application.
I used to fence foil and these guards allow one to hold the dagger in the fencing grip. If one holds it in the fist grip the grooves match up with where one's fingers would go and coupled with the anodized aluminum grip this offers very good grip.
I have not handled the AFD, but there are advantages to getting the EFD with 440C steel besides the price savings. 440C is easier to sharpen and Boker has a solid history of working with 440C.
More than just Dietmar Pohl worked on the EFD, unlike the AFD. Metzner, Friedrich, and Newman worked with Pohl to design and improve the AFD, making the EFD. Frank B. Metzner und Joachim Friedrich are recognized close combat trainers for the German police and run a large fighting school. Newman. Prof. Bill Newman has been studying asian and european martial arts since the 60's and is a recognized expert of the phillipino art escrima. Escrima is derived from the Spanish word "esgrima", which means "fencing."
Other differences on the EFD are that it has a wider hollow grind, giving an unprecedented sharp edge to a dagger, and the opening for the thumb stud in the handle was changed to make it easier to open the dagger using the thumb stud.
I really like the Boker 2200 EFD Escrima Folding Dagger.
I hope this helped.