AG110 vs BP110

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mainewoodsman

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I've got a birthday coming up... been reading a lot of positive things about these 2 knives. I'm thinking about purchasing either the 110AG S30V, or the 110BP 154CPM. Which do you think I should get and why? And, I can only purchase one at this time ;)

It'll be a user as all of my 110's see use...
 
Well MWM,

The first question I'd ask you is do you have a BP or Cabelas near you???? Like Jim I see these knives as almost the same (premium steel & cost). If you could save on shipping charges and buy direct at the store thats the way to go. If not.....well.....I'm with Jim.

jb4570
 
jb4570 said:
Well MWM,

The first question I'd ask you is do you have a BP or Cabelas near you???? Like Jim I see these knives as almost the same (premium steel & cost). If you could save on shipping charges and buy direct at the store thats the way to go. If not.....well.....I'm with Jim.

jb4570
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hi jb,

Unfortunately, no to the BP or Cabela's. Either would have to be ordered via the web, and purchased sight unseen. Interesting that the price is the same... did not check shipping, I'm sure it's similar.
 
mainewoodsman said:
I was hoping for more science in this decision making process - LOL

For example, which is a better steel?
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Thats like asking which is better Ford or Chevy :D
Or Gooses tastes great, less filling...
They are both great blades. Both quality rosewood handles. Blades are both coated to prevent corrosion. They both sharpen "about" the same imho
Hard to notice a difference. S30V was designed as a blade steel.
But CPM154 is so close...

So what do you think heads or tails? :D
 
wh4f said:
Thats like asking which is better Ford or Chevy :D
Or Gooses tastes great, less filling...
They are both great blades. Both quality rosewood handles. Blades are both coated to prevent corrosion. They both sharpen "about" the same imho
Hard to notice a difference. S30V was designed as a blade steel.
But CPM154 is so close...

So what do you think heads or tails? :D
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Hmm, think I'm leaning toward the BOS heat treatment... would that be heads? :D
 
mainewoodsman said:
Hmm, think I'm leaning toward the BOS heat treatment... would that be heads? :D
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I believe they both are!

Just buy one now, and start saving for the other one down the road :)
Life won't be complete until then anyway...
I prefer the "look" of the Bass Pro blade, only because of the AG logo on the cabelas 110. But I took some paint thinner to my AG's and now they all look good to me... Good luck!
 
mainewoodsman said:
I've got a birthday coming up... been reading a lot of positive things about these 2 knives. I'm thinking about purchasing either the 110AG S30V, or the 110BP 154CPM. Which do you think I should get and why? And, I can only purchase one at this time ;)

It'll be a user as all of my 110's see use...
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Woodie I just got the BP110 154cpm so I am not much help .I have
not used it much so for .But like the other's have said there really
is not a lot of difference in the two.From what I have read here on the Buck fourm.So you want go wrong eather
way.
Hawkeye
 
Hawkeye5 said:
Woodie I just got the BP110 154cpm so I am not much help .I have
not used it much so for .But like the other's have said there really
is not a lot of difference in the two.From what I have read here on the Buck fourm.So you want go wrong eather
way.
Hawkeye
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Thanks Hawkeye -- that helps though... what sheath came with the BP110?
 
Ok Jimbo,

If you have both post the pic's for MWM. I like the tastes great logo on the AG blades. I do not have one of the BP 110's so I can't say if the 154 is of the same edge holding quality as the S30V....which I am in love with.....That is my side carry ECD from the first day I used it. I don't see any need to get the BP 154....at least for now. Oh, I have 3 AG 110's anyway.

jb4570
 
jb4570 said:
Ok Jimbo,

If you have both post the pic's for MWM. I like the tastes great logo on the AG blades. I do not have one of the BP 110's so I can't say if the 154 is of the same edge holding quality as the S30V....which I am in love with.....That is my side carry ECD from the first day I used it. I don't see any need to get the BP 154....at least for now. Oh, I have 3 AG 110's anyway.

jb4570
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Thats where the problem comes in JB! I had the 154CPM Bass pro. I ordered one for Maverick and sent it to him. I just had the pics of his knife!
Mine I had I used for hunting and EDC, but after I bought the pair of Cabelas AG's and the Ionfusion 110 I parted with the Bass Pro to a fellow Buck brother. He wanted a premium steel blade and that one was getting the least use by me so off she went! There are so many blades around its hard to keep/use them all. I kept the ionfusion, well, because its awesome :D and the S30V cabelas 110 was used without a logo and the other has custom Mammoth tooth scales so they were definate keepers!
I guess if you look at it that way, I parted with my 154CPM, not the others...
I wish Mav was around, last I communicated with him he loved it and had pics!!
They are both great knives/steels- I dont think you can go wrong either way. Sharpenability and edge retention were too close to call for me. There is a noticable difference when you compare S30V to 420HC but not really S30V to 154CPM.
I suppose if you go by the experts and their tests and charts there may be but in real world use I could not... Sorry I can't be of more help! (I hope it helps a little) :D
 
mainewoodsman said:
It helps Jim and jb -- thank you. tastes great, less filling. :D

What ever happened to our man Mav?
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No problem!
I wish I knew where he went... He was always a great bloke ;)

Oh and Just for the record I do plan on replacing my Bass Pro 154CPM.... Its just a matter of time. :D

Both of those models are some of the best bang for the "Buck" in knives right now. IMHO anyway!
 
Both the 154CM & the S30V are great steel choices, in any knife, especially with a Bos heat-treat.


Crucible Steels for Knife Making
Stainless
Grade
440C Carbon 1.10 Chromium 18.00 Molybdenum 0.75 Vanadium---
154CM Carbon 1.05 Chromium 14.00 Molybdenum 4.00 Vanadium ---
CPMS30V Carbon 1.45 Chromium 14.00 Molybdenum 2.00 Vanadium 4.00
 
mainewoodsman said:
I was hoping for more science in this decision making process - LOL
For example, which is a better steel?
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the question is better for what?
if you are going any ware near salt water OR
you dont want to have to clean it and oil after every meat use
go for S30V !!!

IF
you are a it is only for hunting and cutting game ect ...
and you dont want to stop to sharpen at all
and you are anal on keeping it cleaned and oiled
go for the cpm154

reasoning :
s30v was designed and composed for hard use and max crosourn resastance
it is hard to sharpen but holds welll and dont chip

cpm154 is not as resistance as the onter ...
it is a tad harder to sharpen
using a steel only to frishen up last a long time on meat...

define your use then you have your answer...
.02 worth - i like alround of S30V... well that is -
unless you happen to have a old 440 around with out the hollow grind!!!!
that is hands down the best all round walking around useing it on a construction site knife...
still to this day... !
only drawback-
you have to know how to sharpen a knife correctly for your use!
 
mainewoodsman said:
It helps Jim and jb -- thank you. tastes great, less filling. :D

What ever happened to our man Mav?
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Mav is an avid cyclist. With the tour-De-France in full swing....he maybe racing...or just enjoying the show. That guy rides hundreds of miles on his bike. The thought of riding a bike to the store makes me sweat and the store is only two blocks away!!!

jb4570
 
334dave said:
reasoning :
s30v was designed and composed for hard use and max crosourn resastance
it is hard to sharpen but holds welll and dont chip

cpm154 is not as resistance as the onter ...
it is a tad harder to sharpen
using a steel only to frishen up last a long time on meat...
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This may be a good point, however both blades are coated with basically the same coating to make them both further corrosion resistant!
(Titanium Aluminum Nitride coating)

Either way they both hold a mean edge ;)
Let us know what you do maine woodsman!
Maybe a review will be in order? :D
 
I'm studying on getting both. Both steels are powdered steels and made right here in the USA. It's my understanding that Bos HTs the S30V and oversees the HT on the CPM 154. Really, I think both are just grand. i was talking to Josh Graham awhile back and he gave every so small of a nod to the S30V, but said that he had talked to some of his customers that think CPM 154 cuts more aggressively. For some reason, If I had to chose between the two I think I'd go with CPM 154...because I like 154 CM.

Best of luck.
:)
 
Scott Hartman said:
Both the 154CM & the S30V are great steel choices, in any knife, especially with a Bos heat-treat.


Crucible Steels for Knife Making
Stainless
Grade
440C Carbon 1.10 Chromium 18.00 Molybdenum 0.75 Vanadium---
154CM Carbon 1.05 Chromium 14.00 Molybdenum 4.00 Vanadium ---
CPMS30V Carbon 1.45 Chromium 14.00 Molybdenum 2.00 Vanadium 4.00
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Scott, You are a knife maker... does the Vanadium in the S30V make for an overall stronger blade?
 
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