Ahhh! I knocked the tip off my ZT 0350

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soapboxpreacher

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Damn it, when using my Sharpmaker for the first time I knocked the tip off my ZT 0350. How can I put it back on? I have a DMT Dyna-glide and the dia-fold hones? Any advice? On a side note, I am close to just getting the Apex Edge Pro which seems to be a little more tip safe than the Sharpmaker.
 
The tip will come back with proper sharpening but no device will make it easier to not take your tip off. Its a mistake in technique not tool.
 
knifenut1013 said:
The tip will come back with proper sharpening but no device will make it easier to not take your tip off. Its a mistake in technique not tool.
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Got any tips on how to fix this? I have a DMT and a Sharpmaker to work with. I fear the DMT DynaGuide and Diafolds are too wide to work with the recurve.

But I do think certain system require more skill and are less forgiving when it comes to a mishap around the tip.
 
You mean magna-guide?

No, do not use it on a recurve!

The distance change due to the curve will cause angle change throughout the bevel.

One method would be to wrap coarser grades of sandpaper to the SM rods.

You understand that you must make hand movements in relation to the blade shape right? If you don't follow the "S" sharpening a recurve can be a pain.
 
Here is a video that shows how to put the tip back on. The main thing to remember with the Sharpmaker is to stop just as you get to the tip. Good luck hope this helps good luck.

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Hunter, does he have the tip in between the two rods? Hard to tell in that video. And Nut I meant the Magna-Guide system.
 
Do not do that!

Unless there is a large section of the tip snapped off you never need to grind it like that. Good advice on how to not round a tip but a bad example of how to fix.
 
that's what is commonly done on kitchen knives that's how we are taught to do in pro kitchens. they have thin tips so when they break you can easily have a few mms flat, grinding the spine is the fastest and safest option,

1 you keep the edge profile right without adding unusable on the board belly,
2 you keep the edge geometry correct avoiding getting the edge into thicker part of the blade,
3 it requires no skill at all to do because you don't care about the grind, less risk of overheating if done on a grinder ...

what's wrong with that ?
 
soapboxpreacher said:
Hunter, does he have the tip in between the two rods? Hard to tell in that video. And Nut I meant the Magna-Guide system.
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Preacher, the knife is on top of one of the rods, not in between the rods.

knifenut1013 said:
Do not do that!
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I would like to hear why this is such a bad method. I have used it with the sharp maker a couple of times. That's the price you pay for letting a 10 year old sharpen his own knives. I have also used a method very similar to this one with Norton coarse India stones and DMT Dia sharps and even a belt grinder on occasion. I would like to know what I have been doing wrong all these years.

pwet said:
that's what is commonly done on kitchen knives that's how we are taught to do in pro kitchens. they have thin tips so when they break you can easily have a few mms flat, grinding the spine is the fastest and safest option,

1 you keep the edge profile right without adding unusable on the board belly,
2 you keep the edge geometry correct avoiding getting the edge into thicker part of the blade,
3 it requires no skill at all to do because you don't care about the grind, less risk of overheating if done on a grinder ...

what's wrong with that ?
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Yeah that's what I thought too I am curious to know why this method is so bad.
 
Your changing the profile of the spine and tip when there is no reason to. Your also putting grind marks where they don't need to be. Simply sharpening the edge correctly will restore most tip damage.
 
If you're babying your knife don't do that, but my knives are tools so I have no problem altering the spine to fix the tip. My EDC needs don't care whether or not the spine has been altered.
I use that to fix snapped tips all the time on friends knives, they'll never notice the difference and the small reverse tanto will add a bit of tip strength.
 
Hunter, I agree with you. There is nothing wrong with running the spine across a stone to put a pin edge back on it. I do it all the time to users when I don't have the stones out or don't feel like walking to the shop to hit the paper wheels. One or two swipes and you're good to go. This is the advantage of the Sharpmaker; you can keep it tucked under your chair or anywhere close to you and get to it in a second. It's quick and effective. I've never heard of anyone having any issues with changing the profile of the spine, and it would seem to me there are two points to this. A) It would take a lot of work to actually re-profile the spine with a Sharpmaker and B) Who cares? This isn't rocket science here.
 
What if the blade has a swedge or is coated?

You can always "make it work" but there's just something about doing things the right way......
 
There's no right or wrong... tips can be fixed from either side, or a combo of both. For example, here's a couple of Leek fixes to repair a broken tip....

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Top is a regular Leek
Middle was fixed from the edge side (BTW you have to work pretty much the whole edge to have a more gradual upsweep)
Bottom fixed from the spine side.

Each has a tip, you just get different results based on what you do. For a bigger break, it sometimes helps to mark it with a Sharpie to see how it will come out.

If you repair from the spine side, you can usually do it quicker, and without effecting the edge, and most of the points pwet made are kept. If you repair edge side, it may take a bit longer to do it right, and you have to resharpen when done. Just about everyone has hit on the pros and cons of both methods... but there's no right or wrong. One thing to keep in mind with some folders is, if you only work the edge and not the spine, you may end up with the tip sticking out above the handle when you close it.

As for the OP... the 350 is coated, plus blunting the tip with the Sharpmaker should be pretty minimal, so a PROPER sharpening or two should restore the tip. Just use the blade and when you resharpen concentrate on the edge approaching the tip, until the tip is re-established. Don't just concentrate grinding at the very tip, or you'll just blunt the nose (it's pretty blunt already on the 350), you need to work the edge up to the tip until its restored.

cbw
 
knifenut1013 said:
Your changing the profile of the spine and tip when there is no reason to. Your also putting grind marks where they don't need to be. Simply sharpening the edge correctly will restore most tip damage.
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So in other words it will work right? I am just speaking for myself here but I have had almost enough of you turning Maintenance Tinkering and Embellishment into your own personal area. I used to enjoy coming to this sub forum until you and a few others decided to turn it into a place for your ego masturbation. I would never tell you you don't know what you are talking about, but you on the other hand have no trouble telling people how wrong they are. Its a hobby that's all, its not rocket surgery or brain science its knife sharpening. People have been doing it for thousands of years, you didn't discover the wheel or steal fire from Olympus, you learned how to sharpen a knife be proud be happy and learn that there is more than one way to skin a cat.
I have nothing but respect for what you can do with a stone and a knife but you come across as a pompous know-it-all who has learned all there is to know about knives and knife sharpening, if that is so then please write a book make a video or something to pass this knowledge on to the rest of us the great unwashed. To keep it all to your self would just be selfish I am sure after this huge wall of text I am going to get flamed by the people on here who think you are some sort of God, but I am an adult and I can take it so let the flaming begin.
 
hunter s thompson said:
So in other words it will work right? I am just speaking for myself here but I have had almost enough of you turning Maintenance Tinkering and Embellishment into your own personal area. I used to enjoy coming to this sub forum until you and a few others decided to turn it into a place for your ego masturbation. I would never tell you you don't know what you are talking about, but you on the other hand have no trouble telling people how wrong they are. Its a hobby that's all, its not rocket surgery or brain science its knife sharpening. People have been doing it for thousands of years, you didn't discover the wheel or steal fire from Olympus, you learned how to sharpen a knife be proud be happy and learn that there is more than one way to skin a cat.
I have nothing but respect for what you can do with a stone and a knife but you come across as a pompous know-it-all who has learned all there is to know about knives and knife sharpening, if that is so then please write a book make a video or something to pass this knowledge on to the rest of us the great unwashed. To keep it all to your self would just be selfish I am sure after this huge wall of text I am going to get flamed by the people on here who think you are some sort of God, but I am an adult and I can take it so let the flaming begin.
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The first part is true for me. Knifenut, you come across as a very knowledgeable member of this Forum. No doubt members have learned a great deal from you. Maybe members have absorbed too much of your knowledge not knowing that some of it is bias.

Diamond stones sure do a wonderful job. I've been using it more than I have preached about it. Yes, I am very excited that I don't have to flatten it and it does cut significantly faster than a lot of other options.


In this forum, there are a few main sources of information. Most information here is valuable, but they vary by a pretty mild margin. A lot of people will tell you that the Sharpmaker will do everything you need, but at the same time a lot of people will disagree and kind of step on it. of course, people take the main sources of information in high regards and take recommendations from it, I have no problem with it. One thing though, there is a lot of ways to do things, just like Hunter S thompson said above. my mother taught me that "There is more than one way to travel to Rome." That was true back when Rome was a world power, and it is true today. There are many directions to get to the same finish line. The Amazing race is a good example. :)

The verdict in my point of view. Who is right and who is wrong? Well, nobody is right and neither of you are wrong.

There is no one way to do anything. You can do it both ways or either way. You can do one of each every so often, or you can choose not to do it. There are myriads of combinations, you won't even be stuck using one.
 
hunter s thompson said:
So in other words it will work right? I am just speaking for myself here but I have had almost enough of you turning Maintenance Tinkering and Embellishment into your own personal area. I used to enjoy coming to this sub forum until you and a few others decided to turn it into a place for your ego masturbation. I would never tell you you don't know what you are talking about, but you on the other hand have no trouble telling people how wrong they are. Its a hobby that's all, its not rocket surgery or brain science its knife sharpening. People have been doing it for thousands of years, you didn't discover the wheel or steal fire from Olympus, you learned how to sharpen a knife be proud be happy and learn that there is more than one way to skin a cat.
I have nothing but respect for what you can do with a stone and a knife but you come across as a pompous know-it-all who has learned all there is to know about knives and knife sharpening, if that is so then please write a book make a video or something to pass this knowledge on to the rest of us the great unwashed. To keep it all to your self would just be selfish I am sure after this huge wall of text I am going to get flamed by the people on here who think you are some sort of God, but I am an adult and I can take it so let the flaming begin.
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You don't pay much attention do you? I've never said i know it all and if anything I say its a never ending learning process. No, I wouldn't have just had a thread asking about water stones because then that would mean I didn't know it all, Oooo no what will everyone think :eek:

Some of what I say probably comes across arrogant because I don't take the time to write it any other way. I just don't feel like writing a long winded post on a small subject so it doesn't hurt your feelings. Don't take it to heart it's just a opinion.

Sure you can grind a blade any way you want but with a minor mistake like rounding the tip on a SM why grind metal that you don't have to? One simple re-profile will fix something like that and you don't alter anything but the edge. If you break off more than the bevel in length then other grinding may be needed but why make something look different when you don't need to? I don't know how else you would like me to explain it, its simple, don't be a hack and when you must change something do it right.
 
The problem, KF, is that the way you come off is that the only correct way to do things is the way you prefer to do things. Certainly you have knowledge and skills. Nobody is arguing that. But just because certain methods work for you, that doesn't mean that other methods can't work for other people.

Some people cut their sandwiches in half across the sandwich so there's 2 rectangles. Some cut theirs diagonally. Some start by eating the crust first, some start from the middle. Some don't like the crusts and don't eat them. Others cut the crusts off from the start. Some don't cut their sandwich at all, and just eat the whole damn thing.

Does one person enjoy his sandwich any less than another even though their methods of preparation or masticating differ?

No.

There's more than one way to eat a sandwich.

There's more than one way to skin the proverbial cat.

And there's more than one way to sharpen a knife, so quit preaching the Knifenut1013 Gospel that yours is the one and only correct way to do things. And we'll all get along better.
 
Sorry, but maybe you too should read closer into what I say instead of making something its not.

All this started because I gave one point of view of "don't do that" now its "what you think your god" oops didn't mean to offend your favorite youtube video. But your right there is more than one way to skin the cat, I guess my way it just too much work and not the easy way.
 
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