Airports & Knives

Airports are about as consistant as my coffee! - Last weekend my son walked through MSP with a Delica half and half - and reports he has never had a problem - I usually throw my keys and SAK classic ahead of me in the dish - but the Gerber L/S/T/ with some dollars under the clip is unnoticed. - In the carry on inside the shave case is a Gerber Multipliers. - no one has ever asked to see. - FAA indeed does say 4 inches or less - but gate cops have other ideas ..
Bors - I did have a challenge on a Gerber FSII - about same size as Buck's 110- and was denied entry into a secure area... I waited for my guests on the civilian side of the metal detector.
Keep it under 3.5" silvery and no teeth and you should not have a problem.


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If someone of you ever comes to europe and is going to take the train from england through the channel tunnel make shure you don't have ANY knives on you or even in your checked luggage. They confiscate anything and put it in a press to destroy it. Three weeks ago a friend of mine had this experience with a super small keychain SAK. They even confiscate files for fingernails and nailclippers.

Achim
 
Davidb, that idea of carrying a padded self address stamped envelope is great. I, for one will not tolerate confiscation, even on a cheap knife. It's the principle.
Last time I flew from Newark,NJ to Springfield,Mo I had a Buck Duke and a Delica in my carry on.
When the guard asked if there was a knife in there, I just showed him the Duke, which was in a sheath on a belt attached to a pair of jeans and he said ok. On the way back I just put both in my Locked, checked luggage, which I will do from now on to avoid hassle.
I will not give up a knife because some guard thinks he can get himself a new one.

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2 1/2 years ago I travelled to Jamaica with my wife for our honeymoon. At the Montego Bay airport,
all the carry-on luggage was searched by airport security prior to boarding the plane for the trip home. The person standing in line directly in front of me had purchased a really nice Swiss Army knife while there. Security refused to let him on the plane with the knife and confiscated it. He had paid something like 80+ dollars for it.
I doubt that it was actually a security issue, and the guard probably saw an oppurtunity to get himself a fancy knife. I mean think about it, how dangerous is one of those. Maybe spoon or file somebody to death? The person raised complaints, but they fell on deaf ears and he had to leave it behind.
Since then we have travelled to seven different islands. I have 2 production Emersons , 1 large Sebenza, and 1 Spyderco Endura. The only one that I dare take is the Endura, and I pack it in my checked luggage. I'm just not willing to risk an expensive knife. So far I have not had any problems.

Joe
 
...channel tunnel make shure you don't have ANY knives on you or even in your checked
luggage. They confiscate anything and put it in a press to destroy it. Three weeks ago a friend
of mine had this experience with a super small keychain SAK. They even confiscate files for
fingernails and nailclippers.
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This is pretty ridiculous...
Do they allow you to carry glass bottles with you?
I bet they do...
One could make a field expedient blade from a broken bottle and some paracord...6 inches of jagged glass...

BTW - That was England but what is the Constitutionality of this type of confiscation if it was done in America?

I thought we had protection against unreasonable search and seizure?

I would demand to see the "policy" in writing if they wanted to confiscate a sub 4" knife...

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[This message has been edited by joeG26er (edited 04-27-2000).]
 
It isn't legal for anyone to simply take anything. If a police officer confiscates something legally, you will have done something illegal by possessing it, and you will be going to court. If an officer says "hand it over and I'll let you go with a warning," you may be getting off easy, or maybe not, depending on if possession of that knife is illegal. If you are certain you have not broken any laws, and you don't mind some hassle, then insist that the officer either charge you or let you go. If they just want the knife, they'll let you go rather than make a false arrest.

As for airport security, you have the option not to enter, so there is not a constitutional issue involved. Each airline is legally allowed to set its own standards. And 4" is just a general guideline by the FAA, not a law of any sort.

On the same line of thought, ask the guard who want to take your knife for a reciept, with name and everything, so you "can take up the issue with the airline." That'll probably work somewhat well, assuming you have checked and the airline does officially allows knives like you are carrying.

--JB

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On the other hand, it wouldn't really kill any of us to be knife-less on an airplane.
Why make an issue when you can use some common sense.


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I was wondering if anyone knew why the whole non serated blade rule is in effect and whats the law concerning a 4" blade on a straight knife (i carry a custom sgian dubh)
 
Originally posted by MickMan:

On the other hand, it wouldn't really kill any of us to be knife-less on an airplane.
Why make an issue when you can use some common sense.
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Did you try to cut bakery they give on planes with knives they provide?
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I just feel weird withoug a knife.

Kris
 
I saw this once and it made a lot of sense: You are in a hurry, they aren't.

As far as support from your fellow passengers go, any delay you cause them will probably be met with cries to feed you headfirst into the nearest Pratt and Whitney
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IOW, don't count on it.

Airplanes and airports are the places the "$5.00 will buy any knife on the table" knives are made for. Cheaper than postage.

That multi-hundred dollar custom, or even high dollar production, in a lot of cases, equals or surpasses the weekly take home pay of the security person making min wage. Don't look for much support from them either. Some might just F* with you because they feel like it, and have the chance.

FWIW, I carry an Old Timer or similar >$20.00. No lock and no serrations. The others are in the checked bags.
 
I'm glad I saw that post about the Channel Tunnel and desctruction of knives. I'm not likely to travel through it with anything more than a Leatherman micra and a SAK but even so I'd hate to have either confiscated. I'll definitely be going for the padded envelope approach.

I wonder how the rent-a-goon types would respond to someone buying a box of Sabatier knives in Paris to bring back to London?

There must be something in the ticket conditions permitting the goons to steal knives. I'll check.

Roger
 
In the past I've carried a Buck model 500, and a Spyderco Delica without and problems, but plenty of concerned looks. I just put my knives in the luggage that was checked. I know I shouldn't have to do that, but I would rather keep my knife than have some airport guard confiscate them because he was having a bad day.
 
I checked with security at the Cincinnati-NKY airport and they will not allow any size knife as a carry-on, regardless of how small it is. It must be packed in your checked luggage. This is contrary to what I've been reading here. Anyone else try getting on a plane with a knife at this airport?

Bill
 
I have succesfully taken my Benchmade 710 Axis through: DFW, El Paso, and Albequerque. In the past I have taken the large Gerber EZ out through Philadelphia, Atlanta, Des Moines, Birmingham, and St. Louis. I only had a problem in Philly where they made me check my half serrated EZ. All other times I have put the knives in my carry on bag and let them x-ray it.
 
I disagree, lack of a knife could indeed "kill". There is an old saying: "Your survival knife is the one you have on you in a survival situation."

Even a small pocketknife woulod prove very valuable in a survival situation.

Originally posted by MickMan:
On the other hand, it wouldn't really kill any of us to be knife-less on an airplane.
Why make an issue when you can use some common sense.


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