Thanks to Alan Folts and to Eric Meir (Mer on the forums). You know them, they've been here a long time helping knife folks out. Two cool fellas a knifemaker and a Balisong re-handler. Very helpful to me when I had questions and both very giving dudes. Thanks for the Balisong handle info Mer and thanks Alan for the concealex. Hope to have future contact with these two gentleman. Thanks.....RDT