Aldos 1084 In Stock!

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I figured since I've had no luck the past month at finding Aldos 1084 in stock. Just looked today randomly and he's got it! I ordered 8 ft, so just letting you all know, just in case you didn't already. :)
 
After being told for weeks "it's coming in next week" I bought some 1080 from another source. I am disappoint. :/

Ended up getting 28ft of 1080 from Kelly Cupples for $104 shipped. Can't beat that.
 
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Got a chance to shoot the breeze with him the last couple days,he is a super nice guy.His van was loaded down with all the popular stuff.Plenty of 1084.
 
The good suppliers like Aldo, Mark at Burl Source, Chuck at Alpha, Kelly Cupples and others can sometimes the victims of their own success. It can cost a LOT of money to increase production. stock etc, so sometimes you might see them struggling to keep up with demand. All I can say is that even when materials get scarce at times, remember that it is still better than not all that long ago when there was often none to be found. A number of guys like Aldo got their start trying to run down NOS materials and eventually started producing or having stuff produced. I got into the knife game around 2005 at time where your couldn't find any new 1084 or W2 stock at all and very little if any 52100 in a form that was usable by stock removal makers. Even some of the flat stock that was available was suspect. I remember guys going around to John Deere dealers trying to buy old output shafts because that was one of the few places where you knew that you could find really high quality 5160.
 
Another thing to consider: If you want to get the absolute best performance possible from your blades, fine tuning heat treat to specific steel, and even a specific batch of a specific steel is mandatory. Many extremely serious makers buy large lots of a specific batch of their preferred steel and make knives for years, or their whole lives with that. These are the makers that are able to get the last percentage of performance out of their blades, and usually what skyrockets some steel to fame.

If that's something that is of concern to you (and I'm not saying it has to be), consider saving up and buying a large amount of your chosen steel, and then going on the quest to find the perfect HT for it.


Even if you're farming out HT this is important if you want anything other than "standard" HT. Which contrary to what we'd like to believe, may not always be optimal, let alone optimized to each specific batch of "Steel X"




So I guess what I'm saying is, if you want to use 1084, be patient, or buy enough to last you.
 
How often does he sell out of 1085? I must be lucky, every time I've ordered from him it's been in stock.
 
setlab said:
How often does he sell out of 1085? I must be lucky, every time I've ordered from him it's been in stock.
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Maybe once a year? It's not that often, but people expect to be able to buy a couple bars whenever they decide.


FWIW I ordered 1000lbs of this batch :P
 
So I got my 8 ft of 1084 in, and it looks like it was descaled?? I didn't pay the $20 to have them do it for me.. Is that normal? Anyways I'm pumped. Just another reason why this is a great place to get your steel from.

Anyone know what they use to descale?
 
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I don't think Aldo's 1084 comes with the option to be descaled. I dont believe it ever needs to be from the manufacturer.

Jay
 
Antlerhog said:
I don't think Aldo's 1084 comes with the option to be descaled. I dont believe it ever needs to be from the manufacturer.

Jay
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Hm. Ok. Thats kind of strange. I'm not sure but it definitely looks cleaner than previously.
 
Gentlemen, The 1084 I was originally having made was 1/4" x 1 1/2" hot rolled as rolled bar stock. It was a domestic mill that was doing about 3 heats per year of 1084. I would "Piggy Back" 5 tons of the smelt. About 5 years prior to that 1st load we were all told that 1084 was no longer being produced. Apparently everyone believed them. I decided to ask and was told that wasn't the case. That got the ball rolling. After the 3rd heat we had made I noticed a significant decrease in the quality of the bar. That material came through, as most hot rolled does, with a bit of scale on it. The last batch we had made was so bad that I ended up scraping 5800 pounds. of it. That hurt!

We have since been having it made by a strip mill in Germany. The mill is one of the cleanest mills on the planet. There steel is as clean and smooth as you can get it and in 5 years we haven't heard 1 complaint about fissures or gaps(Unlike certain loads of 5160 that a few of you might remember). The steel comes annealed dead soft.

They also have a small specialty steel mill that they work with that has been making the W-2 for us.(Which is back in stock in 1/4" and 5/16") (Shameless plug :) ). We are planning to have this mill produce AEB-L with Nitrogen added(Similar to 14C28N) and we want to also start having them produce a steel similar to Hitachi Blue and White(only better!!). In all the certs. we've looked at comparing one to the other we find that our mill removes more of the "undesirable alloys then the "Oh so pure" Hitachi steels. It might take us a little time to get these made. You have to come up with a lot of scratch to bring in a new grade in 3 or 4 different sizes.

As for availability, that should be getting better. When we started we didn't have clue how many knife makers there were, not to mention, that up until that time, I was selling only 1084 and I was doing it out of my garage in between 40-60 hours of plumbing a week. We took a beating the 1st 3 years of full time business. Me and Murphy became intimate friends! I came so close to shutting it down so many times I lost count, but the thought of going back to plumbing became the driving force that kept us at it. Now, after 5 years, we are more able to see trends and anticipate when we need to order(and then scrape up enough money to bring over a 35,000 pound container) It's scary as hell!

Hope this helps,
Aldo
 
And this is why you are the man Uncle Aldo ;)

Aldo Bruno said:
Gentlemen, The 1084 I was originally having made was 1/4" x 1 1/2" hot rolled as rolled bar stock. It was a domestic mill that was doing about 3 heats per year of 1084. I would "Piggy Back" 5 tons of the smelt. About 5 years prior to that 1st load we were all told that 1084 was no longer being produced. Apparently everyone believed them. I decided to ask and was told that wasn't the case. That got the ball rolling. After the 3rd heat we had made I noticed a significant decrease in the quality of the bar. That material came through, as most hot rolled does, with a bit of scale on it. The last batch we had made was so bad that I ended up scraping 5800 pounds. of it. That hurt!

We have since been having it made by a strip mill in Germany. The mill is one of the cleanest mills on the planet. There steel is as clean and smooth as you can get it and in 5 years we haven't heard 1 complaint about fissures or gaps(Unlike certain loads of 5160 that a few of you might remember). The steel comes annealed dead soft.

They also have a small specialty steel mill that they work with that has been making the W-2 for us.(Which is back in stock in 1/4" and 5/16") (Shameless plug :) ). We are planning to have this mill produce AEB-L with Nitrogen added(Similar to 14C28N) and we want to also start having them produce a steel similar to Hitachi Blue and White(only better!!). In all the certs. we've looked at comparing one to the other we find that our mill removes more of the "undesirable alloys then the "Oh so pure" Hitachi steels. It might take us a little time to get these made. You have to come up with a lot of scratch to bring in a new grade in 3 or 4 different sizes.

As for availability, that should be getting better. When we started we didn't have clue how many knife makers there were, not to mention, that up until that time, I was selling only 1084 and I was doing it out of my garage in between 40-60 hours of plumbing a week. We took a beating the 1st 3 years of full time business. Me and Murphy became intimate friends! I came so close to shutting it down so many times I lost count, but the thought of going back to plumbing became the driving force that kept us at it. Now, after 5 years, we are more able to see trends and anticipate when we need to order(and then scrape up enough money to bring over a 35,000 pound container) It's scary as hell!

Hope this helps,
Aldo
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Sounds like a plan!!!!! Two questions for you, kind sir, re the AEB-L/14C28N clone. Does the nitrogen effect the ability to take the super fine, stable edge and, perhaps more importantly, do you plan to roll it in thicknesses GREATER than .130? I think that a fair number of people would love to see some straight up Original Recipe AEB-L/13C26 in 3/16 and 1/4 inch stock. As for the Hitachiesque stuff, any plans to market it as Aldogami? :D
 
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Andy, It blows my mind.

As for the Nitrogen in AEB-L. The Nitrogen allows for a higher hardness and better edge stability and still no chrome carbides.(That's as technical as I can go on the subject!) As for the sizing we would want to bring it in in both the sizes we have (.070,.110 and .130) plus 5/32" and 3/16". We will, more than likely, bring in 3/32, 5/32 and the 3/16 on the first round. We feel that a lot of you would use this steel for folders as well as straight knives.
 
Wishin' for 1/4" as those simple stainless steels are supposedly some of the toughest stainless around because of their simple chemistry, etc. ;)
Aldo Bruno said:
Andy, It blows my mind.

As for the Nitrogen in AEB-L. The Nitrogen allows for a higher hardness and better edge stability and still no chrome carbides.(That's as technical as I can go on the subject!) As for the sizing we would want to bring it in in both the sizes we have (.070,.110 and .130) plus 5/32" and 3/16". We will, more than likely, bring in 3/32, 5/32 and the 3/16 on the first round. We feel that a lot of you would use this steel for folders as well as straight knives.
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jdm61 said:
Wishin' for 1/4" as those simple stainless steels are supposedly some of the toughest stainless around because of their simple chemistry, etc. ;)
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+1 on .250" AEB-L, I'd love to be able to put out some straight razors using this steel without having to go through the difficulty that it presents now.
 
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