Alright i'm actually going to do it

Winter in the higher elevations is pretty extreme for a first outing.

Might I suggest a compromise?

First, take a friend. Maybe someone who has been on a few outings and knows their way around a mountain, so to speak.

Also, before simply hiking "off the beaten track" , try something a little more of a controlled environment. There are plenty of State and Federal campgrounds, where you can pitch a tent, be close to your vehicle, and near a little piece of civilization. You can have a camp fire, and endure as much as you want, but, if you find it too cold, too wet, or too uncomfortable, you can easily bail out, re-assess the good & the bad, make the appropriate adjustments to your clothing, skills, gear, etc. Then go it again.

They typically have trail systems, so you can go out for an hour or two at a time, but still come back to your vehicle, and permanent "base camp".

To anyone, I would say, you first need to prove to yourself you can set up camp, in any weather, and take care of all of the "routine chores" that are mandatory in a controlled setting, before further exscursions into the wilderness.

Take a walk before running.

The other part of this, is simply, you don't want it to be a compelte failure, which could really turn you off of the whole experience, and leave you with $100s of dollars of equipment piled in your garage or basement, that only brings back bad memories. there are piles of camping ewquipment across North America that have been used only once.

Once you master campground camping, then try something a little more challenging.

And Grampa is right, wintertime in the Pac NW is no joke.
You could get 2 to 3 feet of snow overnight, and it could make hiking out, even 2 miles, practically impossible.

Take some time to plan, and learn, it will make your outing that much more rewarding and enjoyable. Allow yourself a safety net.

For orienteering skills, get a map and compass, and find your local trails.
They are usually well marked, and you can build up some modest skills before taking on "uncharted" territory.
 
Can any of you identify a burger tree or find a Coke stream? Enjoy yourself and make the most of it. I have done several 1 week hikes and for the love of me can't remember (other than the school ones) why I went.
 
Chris, good luck to you on whatever you decide. In terms of the GPS I second learning the ways of a good ol map and compass, but in terms of an inexpensive one I just got a Garmin Etrex Legend. You can get them for around $120US. I'm a moron when it comes to technology but this thing is really easy to use. It's waterproof up to 1 meter, has a backlit display, and can run for up to 18hrs on a single pair of regular AA batteries. This is my first GPS mind you so I don't have much to compare it too, but I like it. Cheers.

-Lindey


I also just got one and I love it. The topo maps I got for all of Canada cost just as much as the unit, but whatever.

As for the topic starter, I say go for it. You can always hike back to your car, the odds of something happening out there preventing you reaching your car are most likely less then something happening to you in the city, or on your drive home from the trip even.
Have fun! :thumbup: And take the opprotunity to pracice some of the primitive skills you will need for the next trip, try to cram as much personal training and practice as you can. (check out some of the excellent firestarting and tinder threads here, for example)
 
ac1d0v3r1d3; Like others here I would suggest that the first several trips be camping oriented with someone experienced in the art. Once you have the feel of fire starting (start all fires using only one match and available natural tinder) and scrounging food then you can pare the kit down and go hard core if so inclined.

Re your list;
Pot visit a camping supplier and get a stainless 1 quart back packing pot with lid (titanium is fine but expensive).
Fire kit, go ahead and try the steel wool and battery thing, then throw them away and replace them with a BIC and some hexamine or trioxane tabs (any one that would depend on a battery and steel wool in potential survival situations deserves the consequences, IMO)
Filter; get the best that you can afford but back it up with some water purification tabs.
Flashlight; LED is the only thing to consider, don't get the brightest but instead compromise between brightness and battery life.
GPS; only as a back up to a map and compass technology can be depended upon to fail at critical times.
Buddy; experienced only (not a wannabe).
Book; a how to manual, and try out the techniques.

Enjoy!
 
ok guys, thanks for all the great suggestions. One thing tho, i'm not totally inexperenced. I have camped a lot in the past, i know how to make a fire using only one match and natural kindling (i was in the boy scouts too :) )
I think SkunkWerx has the right idea. My plan was to go drive out some place, probably the olympic rain forest, and hike a couple miles out, on a marked trail and see if i can get by without using any fancy stuff or eating any of the back up food i brought with me. Thats all, i'm not going to be facing the Canadian wilderness or anything here. Just testing my abilities.
I was going to go out this weekend, but the weather looks a little too nasty for me. And of course i'd check the weather report before i decided to go up in the mountians here, too many people getting lost and dying lately for me to forget about that one.
But, by all means keep the suggestions comming :)

PS I use steel wool and a lighter, the stuff burns alright when you stretch it out some. I suppose that a battery might work too.
 
I would ditch the battery. Steel wool, eh, it'll work but there are lots better things.
For the weight of a 9V, you can carry a swedish firesteel, and/or magnesium/flint bar.

Saw the mag/flints at Wallyworld for under $5 recently.

We all have our own Fire "beliefs" , for my money (and life) this is what i would carry, minimum.

1. Bic Lighter (or 3)
2. Waterproof matches in a waterproof case, ditch the little box, but make sure you cut off the strikers from both sides of box and slip in the case with the matches.
3. Mag Flint Bar with a piece of hacksaw blade attached. It's your tinder and spark source.
4. Find a pill bottle or film cannister and place dry tinder in it. Charcloth, wood shavings, cottonballs with PJ, anything, just make it real good tinder.

That is the minimum in my book!

Keep it on your person at all times. Separated in different pockets, pouches, whatever so you can't lose it all at once.

If you are hiking wilderness, off trail, beating the bush, tie the Mag/Flint/bar around your neck (but not so strongly you can strangle yourself, should it get snagged on something if you fall).
 
X-39; I'm in Maine as well. Plenty of tasty critters around here in April, PorkyPines are great, tough to skin but roasted (bring/use salt/seasoning!) over the fire, you can eat like a king. Woodchucks are coming out in April, VERY good eating. Both are open year round to hunt in Maine. Snowshoes are legal until the 1st of April (open Oct 1st). Don't forget fish... Some may not sound good now, but wait until you have eaten Ramen noodles and grass for a week...

Bring salt/pepper/seasoning, as well as various sized hooks and lines... etc.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Hey Guys...

Ac1D...

That's some Great advice from everyone..

Taking Mike up on his offer would be a Very smart thing to do...

Anyone you can practice skills with is good...

I also got the feeling from your posts that you are fairly new to this survival thing...

I would suggest doing as much reading and would highly suggest looking into Ron Hood video series..

They are simply Chalked Full of Great tips, tricks and Solid info...
Watch them, then simply go and practice what you have learned..

Until you are comfortable about spending several nights without some comfort items, bring everything with you and keep it close by. No more than an hours walk.. An hours walk is just far enough to decide if it's worth walking for an item you may need..

double up on items such as Fire, Water, and Navigation. If your pump fails, you will have water pure tabs with you,, if your matches get wet, you'll have a firesteel with you..Ifyour GPS doesn't work, because you forgot extra batts,, or you've drained them,, you'll have a compass...

It's fun to Do and Learn,, but not putting yourself in danger...

Have fun,, this lifestyle is a Blast...

One thing you must do However..

When you've mastered a Skill...

Pay it Forward, just as Mike has offered you and teach someone who is new to it, children, friends or what have you.. Always pass your skills down to the next generation so they can teach someone some day..

ttyle

Eric
O/ST
 
Like many other people have stated start slow, a couple weekend trips first, practice and practice any time you have the chance. I encourge you to do this and good luck. A personal note when I was about 15 I was very into wilderness survival and group of us went on weekend survival course that we prepared for. It was very fun and very helpful until I got the bright idea to sleep next tho the fire instead of the shelther that I have made. The result of that was third degree burns on my back and hands. I had to be medic-vac out if I was alone I might not of maybe it. Also dicth the gps and practice using compass its harder than you think.
 
For water, I would bring two 1 liter wide mouth Nalgene bottles and a chemical purification method, micropur tabs and/or 2% tincture of iodine. Bring some form of chemical even if you decide to use a filter.
 
Doc. I read "Into The Wild" Great book. Sad story tho. I'll make sure not to eat any wild snow pea pods.
Chris didnt do a couple of things that he should have. One, he wasnt prepared. He did well in the wild despite that. Aside from being poisoned to death by wild snow pea pods. I suppose the other thing he did wrong could be considered ill-preperaton as well. He didnt know the area he was going into. He could have walked to any number or cabins or even a couple of different ranger stations, or he could have explored the banks of the river some and found a way around it when he wanted to leave. Instead he assumed that his old out of date and incomplete map was reliable, and he went back to his abandoned bus.
I, obviously, wish to be prepared for this. Hence i am here asking for your advice.
Thanks for the suggestion tho, it was a great read.
By all means, continue with the suggestions everyone.
Thanks
-Chris
 
Winter in the higher elevations is pretty extreme for a first outing.

Might I suggest a compromise?

First, take a friend. Maybe someone who has been on a few outings and knows their way around a mountain, so to speak.

Also, before simply hiking "off the beaten track" , try something a little more of a controlled environment. There are plenty of State and Federal campgrounds, where you can pitch a tent, be close to your vehicle, and near a little piece of civilization. You can have a camp fire, and endure as much as you want, but, if you find it too cold, too wet, or too uncomfortable, you can easily bail out, re-assess the good & the bad, make the appropriate adjustments to your clothing, skills, gear, etc. Then go it again.

They typically have trail systems, so you can go out for an hour or two at a time, but still come back to your vehicle, and permanent "base camp".

To anyone, I would say, you first need to prove to yourself you can set up camp, in any weather, and take care of all of the "routine chores" that are mandatory in a controlled setting, before further exscursions into the wilderness.

Take a walk before running.

The other part of this, is simply, you don't want it to be a compelte failure, which could really turn you off of the whole experience, and leave you with $100s of dollars of equipment piled in your garage or basement, that only brings back bad memories. there are piles of camping ewquipment across North America that have been used only once.

Once you master campground camping, then try something a little more challenging.

And Grampa is right, wintertime in the Pac NW is no joke.
You could get 2 to 3 feet of snow overnight, and it could make hiking out, even 2 miles, practically impossible.

Take some time to plan, and learn, it will make your outing that much more rewarding and enjoyable. Allow yourself a safety net.

For orienteering skills, get a map and compass, and find your local trails.
They are usually well marked, and you can build up some modest skills before taking on "uncharted" territory.

I like this advice, along with others, about moderation. By all means go for it buddy, being out there were the rubber meets the road is how you get intimate with your environment. But, maybe dont go deep at first and I wouldnt leave the tent behind either. If you chose not to use it fine, but have the option. Remember, hunter,gatherers spent a considerable amount of time simply obtaining enough food to eat. Many,many Inuit or far northern Indian famillys have starved to death throughout history and they KNOW their environment intimately. Unless you kill big game, can butcher it and preserve it, you are hunting small game all the time, because....its small. Indians on the move brought preserved food with them, smoked meat, pemican etc., or had frozen stashes under rocks, to keep away from predators. So...why not bring food with you. If I had to live on rabbits and Arctic Ptarmagan to eat, I would probably starve some days. Animals move around, they get gun shy, are affected by weather, etc, etc.
 
You may want to bump it back a month. To March. If you want to hunt for your food, the hunting season for rabbits, racoons, foxs, bobcats and COUGARS (are you ready to possibly be hunted?) go out March 15th here. I did not see a squirrel season, there is not that many around here. Coyotes and bullfrogs are open year round.
 
I started doing real backpacking sometime in early high school with a buddy who was just getting into it himself. We went out and got a bunch of reasonable, practical and very cheap gear from a big department store, and just hit the trails. We both had good heads on our shoulders and had spent a good bit of time in the outdoors anyway, but we learned a lot pretty quickly.

The first lesson was that weight sucks. Cheap = heavy. I can tell you, for example, that the Meijer hatchet got replaced with a folding saw in about two trips. I hated lugging that thing around. I was also intensely jealous of those compactable sleeping bags that didn't take up half your pack. All good things, but some things get pricey. The point I learned was that it was worth it to start with cheap, basic items so I knew what was worth spending money on and what ought to be left in the truck/trunk.

The next was that the buddhists were all too correct when it came to the outdoors. The possessions you thought you owned quickly start to own you! I think every trip I was carrying less and less. The things I thought were great and handy when at home ended up being nuisances on the trail. Light is fun, less is more!! Quality gear is a great thing and worth having, but I seem to care less and less about the high-brow stuff. (KISS!)

The one place this isn't so true, as SkunkWerX pointed out so well, is with fire kits. I've never subtracted gear from that kit, and have in fact added redundancies. I'll have a couple of bics, water proof matches, maybe a zippo, a good amount of tinder (I like dryer lint), and a magnesium firestarter. You just don't want to play around with not being able to get fire, especially when the tools to make it are so easily packed.

If you just go out there to have fun and to push yourself to try new things in new ways (with a good bit of help/learnin'), you'll do fine. It's not rocket science. Just start out with some redundant safety nets and don't use them until you need to.

Don't set out with the notion that you're going to "rough it". "Roughing it" is your 12 hour day at work in a dirty city with people screaming at you, deadlines, bills, etc. The woods should be where things are fun and smooth and relaxing. Simplifying your gear makes it easier to be smooth.

Lastly, I'd just suggest not to hitch your wagon to any silly mantra, like the folks who talk about 'being airdropped into the jungle while blindfolded with one leg broken and surviving with a paperclip and a nail file for 3 weeks..." It's hot air, chest puffing.

Sorry for the length, but I rarely get the chance to pass along some lessons learned from personal experiences. Hope it's helpful! I hope you get to spend much more time outdoors no matter what!
 
Spooky, that was very well said.

Ease into the wild.
First maybe a National park or state park campground, then next a one mile hike "in" on marked trails. Then next time alittle farther. "in". Each time pushing the envelope of time & space just a wee bit as experience kicks in.

Watch weather reports , study maps (with Topo) even take a drive around the area the weekend before to get an idea of what is in store.
 
Spooky. thanks, if you have anything more specific go on please. What do you carry in the woods? Brand? Ammount? All that stuff. I'd love to see just what you carry and why. i could read about gear all day.
Skunk. Thats a good plan, maybe i'll hike around on some day trips before i decide to overnight somewhere.
Thanks
-Chris
 
You have tons of good advice here.

I live north of Seattle and there are many areas around to try this sort of thing.

The North Cascades National Park complex is pretty amazing.

Do a test run in a walk in campsite in the North Cascades somewhere(Colonial Creek, Newhalem)
 
Hi, glad it was a bit helpful! I'm not sure I've ever actually sat down and listed my gear, or if it's really ever been the same set of gear in each trip. I do, however, have a pack that I just keep 'ready to go' in the closet, so I'll get it out tomorrow and try make a good list of what I like to keep in there. I'm not sure if that kind of thing is something that would 'clog up' this thread/forum, so I'll try to keep it succinct!

And I know what you mean about the gear discussions! The only things as exciting as going on a trek are planning for it, and discussing it later. Getting to hand pick your equipment and getting it lined out/put away is a great feeling. (But some advice, keep it theoretical for a while! I've found gear lust to be a good way to make your bank account sad, especially when half goes unused.)
 
I too am from Washington State, the east side though. The only hunting seasons open into april are coyote and turkey. You need a small game license ($32.85). Turkey must be hunted with a shotgun (10 guage or under) capable of carrying no more than 3 shells or a bow and arrow. Now in addition to that if you were born after January 1, 1972 you must show proof that you have completed a state certified hunter education course. For a complete list of courses go to http://www.wdfw.wa.gov/faq/huntered.htm. As far as trapping goes there isnt anything open to trapping in that time frame. It is also unlawful to use any neck or body snare on any animal. I might suggest any non-game animals, such as badgers and porcupines. If you have any other questions consult http://www.wdfw.wa.gov in the hunting section. Also possibly hitting the east side of the mountains will keep you out of alot of precip and many more options for places to go.
 
The suggestions that have been here are outstanding, So I'm just going to through in a few bones.
FM21-76 the army field survival manual can be had or ordered through any of the big book stores.
Fire & cordage by John McPherson
Making meat-1,Making Meat -2 by John McPherson available at wilderness way mag on line.
this is just a Little starting point in pursuing brush craft and out door skills. There are many good survival and primitive living books and a few webs. hope this helps. Enjoy.
 
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